Single Wing Offense?

SCHawkeye2

SCHawkeye2

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How to Run the Single Wing Offense (Complete Football Guide) (footballadvantage.com)

Please hear me out....
We have no QB or WR talent.
In all seriousness, this may really be an option.

Who Should Use the Single-Wing Offense?​

  • Teams who lack a true pocket-passing quarterback who has a strong arm and can throw the ball all over the field.
  • Teams who have extra offensive linemen worthy of starting, including multiple tight ends.
  • Teams who have multiple running backs and a receiver who are strong in the blocking game.
  • Teams that are looking to create confusion for opposing defenses who have to identify different blocking attacks and ball carriers every play.
 
SCHawkeye2 said:
How to Run the Single Wing Offense (Complete Football Guide) (footballadvantage.com)

Please hear me out....
We have no QB or WR talent.
In all seriousness, this may really be an option.

Who Should Use the Single-Wing Offense?​

  • Teams who lack a true pocket-passing quarterback who has a strong arm and can throw the ball all over the field.
  • Teams who have extra offensive linemen worthy of starting, including multiple tight ends.
  • Teams who have multiple running backs and a receiver who are strong in the blocking game.
  • Teams that are looking to create confusion for opposing defenses who have to identify different blocking attacks and ball carriers every play.
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I would love this! Everyone else is ever evolving on offense. So let’s go WAAAY back.
 
Dumb idea, we couldn’t do that either. We already run a very simple offense and look how that is going
 
SCHawkeye2 said:
How to Run the Single Wing Offense (Complete Football Guide) (footballadvantage.com)

Please hear me out....
We have no QB or WR talent.
In all seriousness, this may really be an option.

Who Should Use the Single-Wing Offense?​

  • Teams who lack a true pocket-passing quarterback who has a strong arm and can throw the ball all over the field.
  • Teams who have extra offensive linemen worthy of starting, including multiple tight ends.
  • Teams who have multiple running backs and a receiver who are strong in the blocking game.
  • Teams that are looking to create confusion for opposing defenses who have to identify different blocking attacks and ball carriers every play.
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Lol. You want to run an offense that relies 100% on lineman pulling and blocking? Have you seen our OL or have you not watched a game so far?
 
I’ve been thinking about this as well even though it will never happen. Our offense is a complete failure at least something like this could kill some clock.
 
Fryowa said:
Lol. You want to run an offense that relies 100% on lineman pulling and blocking? Have you seen our OL or have you not watched a game so far?
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Right, doing what they’ve been doing is working…..

Dude, must you shoot down every idea someone has? This is the exact offense schools use when they don’t have enough talent.
 
ssckelley said:
Right, doing what they’ve been doing is working…..

Dude, must you shoot down every idea someone has? This is the exact offense schools use when they don’t have enough talent.
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The single wing relies on an OL that can pull and block as the foundation of the whole thing. How does that work for Iowa at all?
 
The reason the single wing is only used in pee wee ball and by a tiny number of high schools is because it’s essentially a trick play, every play. It relies on deception and a wall of blockers. When you get to the college level and beyond, how often do trick plays work? It’d take about 3.5 seconds for a DC to figure out exactly what’s going on and shut it down. It also doesn’t work against steady doses of the blitz.

The single wing set is essentially creating a super strong side and a super weak side. It basically gives one of two options, you either create a wall of blockers on the strong side and hope for a push, or you sweep to the weak side and hope you beat the edge (most of the time one on one because most coaches at the peewee level aren’t the smartest). Again, it’s used in peewee/high school ball because you’re relying on your guys being more athletic and taking advantage of huge mismatches that you don’t have at the college level.

In P5 ball you’re not going to get easy one on one mismatches and wide open field on the weak side, and our OL can’t block straight up, let alone protect against the blitz and block on the move. It’d be suicide.
 
ssckelley said:
I’ve been thinking about this as well even though it will never happen. Our offense is a complete failure at least something like this could kill some clock.
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Agree with several viewpoints but this one, especially.

Anything that requires precise execution / timing between pulling linemen and ball carrier has been a disaster. Anything that takes time to develop - jet sweeps, reverses, tunnel screens, even drop back passes - has been unsuccessful.

Right now, Iowa's best offensive scheme is all-in man blocking, downhill rushing, and quick slant passes. Whatever gets the ball out of the QB's hands as quickly as possible, moves forward rather than laterally, minimizes gap vision / decision making, chips away and keeps the clock running. Eliminate all drop-back passes. If you go shotgun, the QB's must be coached to run after 3 seconds and that RB needs to be ready to lead the way. You've got interchangeable QB's, so, injury is a secondary concern with them running more.

Sure, it'll more often than not result in a punt, it's no different than now. I believe it would lead to more opportunities to bust open a play, certainly a few more first downs, eliminate negative yards (sacks and blown-up lateral plays) and, maybe, build a little toughness / confidence.

Above all, keep the clock moving, rest the defense as much as possible, keep the opponent on their end of the field and let the defense make some plays to shorten the field for the offense.
 
STILLBUSTER said:
Agree with several viewpoints but this one, especially.

Anything that requires precise execution / timing between pulling linemen and ball carrier has been a disaster. Anything that takes time to develop - jet sweeps, reverses, tunnel screens, even drop back passes - has been unsuccessful.

Right now, Iowa's best offensive scheme is all-in man blocking, downhill rushing, and quick slant passes. Whatever gets the ball out of the QB's hands as quickly as possible, moves forward rather than laterally, minimizes gap vision / decision making, chips away and keeps the clock running. Eliminate all drop-back passes. If you go shotgun, the QB's must be coached to run after 3 seconds and that RB needs to be ready to lead the way. You've got interchangeable QB's, so, injury is a secondary concern with them running more.

Sure, it'll more often than not result in a punt, it's no different than now. I believe it would lead to more opportunities to bust open a play, certainly a few more first downs, eliminate negative yards (sacks and blown-up lateral plays) and, maybe, build a little toughness / confidence.

Above all, keep the clock moving, rest the defense as much as possible, keep the opponent on their end of the field and let the defense make some plays to shorten the field for the offense.
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The problem with selling out on a narrow little set of plays is now you’ve completely taken away any unpredictability and now DCs know exactly what’s coming. Can you imagine Iowa running an offense (single wing or otherwise) that’s more predictable than the one we already run?

Basically you’d be telling other teams, “Hey, we’re going to run the ball vertically every time and never pass from the gun.”

You can’t do that in P5. In high school maybe you could do something like that as a shot in the arm against a weak team with no athletes, but not in P5 football.

And I disagree that it’d extend drives and burn up clock. That kind of thing would lead to even more 3&O than we already have. Hell, the precious few 1st downs we do have mostly come from pass plays and you want to eliminate them?

Its pretty simple really…

This team is suffering from 3 main things.

1) Recruiting misses on the OL and failure to coach them up. That’s on Brian and Barnett

2) Mind-bendingly atrocious play calling in ALL situations. That’s on Brian.

3) Terrible quarterbacking. We have a QB coach who’s never played the position, and admitted in a podcast with Leistikow that he has no idea what he’s doing. You can go listen to it for free. That’s on Brian and Kurt

There’s no need to reinvent the wheel here. What Iowa needs to do is use NIL to get some better OL recruits in the door and coach the ones we do have. Brian was actually good at it.

Call plays that aren’t stupid.

Get a QB that can hit targets, use his feet, and knows when to get rid of the ball. We’ve had several, we can find another. And for F’s sake get rid of the guy who is asshole deep in all of our problem areas—Brain Ferentz.
 
SCHawkeye2 said:
How to Run the Single Wing Offense (Complete Football Guide) (footballadvantage.com)

Please hear me out....
We have no QB or WR talent.
In all seriousness, this may really be an option.

Who Should Use the Single-Wing Offense?​

  • Teams who lack a true pocket-passing quarterback who has a strong arm and can throw the ball all over the field.
  • Teams who have extra offensive linemen worthy of starting, including multiple tight ends.
  • Teams who have multiple running backs and a receiver who are strong in the blocking game.
  • Teams that are looking to create confusion for opposing defenses who have to identify different blocking attacks and ball carriers every play.
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Point two seems like a miss, but if Paul Johnson wants to come out of retirement or one of the service academy OCs or HCs wants to come give some flavor of triple option a try, I’d be all for it. Assistant HC/OC? One good WR is all you need to add a deep threat to a strong option run game, one would hope they can manage that with a new offensive staff. Betts and Hodge can obviously stay, not sure how to evaluate Copeland with the OL and QB we’ve had. Scheme changes, along with a new OC, OL, and QB coach should be the minimum possible changes, but with Kirk it’s got to be unlikely unless we lose out.
 
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STILLBUSTER said:
Agree with several viewpoints but this one, especially.

Anything that requires precise execution / timing between pulling linemen and ball carrier has been a disaster. Anything that takes time to develop - jet sweeps, reverses, tunnel screens, even drop back passes - has been unsuccessful.

Right now, Iowa's best offensive scheme is all-in man blocking, downhill rushing, and quick slant passes. Whatever gets the ball out of the QB's hands as quickly as possible, moves forward rather than laterally, minimizes gap vision / decision making, chips away and keeps the clock running. Eliminate all drop-back passes. If you go shotgun, the QB's must be coached to run after 3 seconds and that RB needs to be ready to lead the way. You've got interchangeable QB's, so, injury is a secondary concern with them running more.

Sure, it'll more often than not result in a punt, it's no different than now. I believe it would lead to more opportunities to bust open a play, certainly a few more first downs, eliminate negative yards (sacks and blown-up lateral plays) and, maybe, build a little toughness / confidence.

Above all, keep the clock moving, rest the defense as much as possible, keep the opponent on their end of the field and let the defense make some plays to shorten the field for the offense.
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This.
 
Fryowa said:
The problem with selling out on a narrow little set of plays is now you’ve completely taken away any unpredictability and now DCs know exactly what’s coming. Can you imagine Iowa running an offense (single wing or otherwise) that’s more predictable than the one we already run?

Basically you’d be telling other teams, “Hey, we’re going to run the ball vertically every time and never pass from the gun.”

You can’t do that in P5. In high school maybe you could do something like that as a shot in the arm against a weak team with no athletes, but not in P5 football.

And I disagree that it’d extend drives and burn up clock. That kind of thing would lead to even more 3&O than we already have. Hell, the precious few 1st downs we do have mostly come from pass plays and you want to eliminate them?

Its pretty simple really…

This team is suffering from 3 main things.

1) Recruiting misses on the OL and failure to coach them up. That’s on Brian and Barnett

2) Mind-bendingly atrocious play calling in ALL situations. That’s on Brian.

3) Terrible quarterbacking. We have a QB coach who’s never played the position, and admitted in a podcast with Leistikow that he has no idea what he’s doing. You can go listen to it for free. That’s on Brian and Kurt

There’s no need to reinvent the wheel here. What Iowa needs to do is use NIL to get some better OL recruits in the door and coach the ones we do have. Brian was actually good at it.

Call plays that aren’t stupid.

Get a QB that can hit targets, use his feet, and knows when to get rid of the ball. We’ve had several, we can find another. And for F’s sake get rid of the guy who is asshole deep in all of our problem areas—Brain Ferentz.
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This as well..but I do agree with stillbuster any offensive plays that are slow developing with this team need to be minimumized. A hurry up offense may be what this team needs as well....no huddle...gives are dumb qbs less time to think about things and just play and everyone else on that side of the ball. Keeps opposing defenses from setting their feet so to speak. However, against OSU, I think I would have done the opposite.....I'm disappointed we did not snap the ball with 2 to 3 seconds on the play clock every time...we needed to shorten that game more and keep OSU off the field....eventhough in hindsight our defense played their asses off for the most part. Ultimately you are right though...this is baaddd team on offense with baaadddd coaching on offense. Nothing changes until that side of the ball changes.
 
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JoeyLabasForPresident said:
Point two seems like a miss, but if Paul Johnson wants to come out of retirement or one of the service academy OCs or HCs wants to come give some flavor of triple option a try, I’d be all for it. Assistant HC/OC? One good WR is all you need to add a deep threat to a strong option run game, one would hope they can manage that with a new offensive staff. Betts and Hodge can obviously stay, not sure how to evaluate Copeland with the OL and QB we’ve had. Scheme changes, along with a new OC, OL, and QB coach should be the minimum possible changes, but with Kirk it’s got to be unlikely unless we lose out.
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I would pay Paul Christ right now 2 million to come coach the offense. He is basically Iowa but does it much better.
 
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Like Clint Eastwood said in Gran Torino:

“Take these three items right here. You can have this. WD-40, vise grips, and some duct tape. Any man worth his salt can do half the household chores with just those three things.” No reason they can't work to solve our football problems on the offensive side of the ball.
 
Fryowa said:
The problem with selling out on a narrow little set of plays is now you’ve completely taken away any unpredictability and now DCs know exactly what’s coming. Can you imagine Iowa running an offense (single wing or otherwise) that’s more predictable than the one we already run?

Basically you’d be telling other teams, “Hey, we’re going to run the ball vertically every time and never pass from the gun.”

You can’t do that in P5. In high school maybe you could do something like that as a shot in the arm against a weak team with no athletes, but not in P5 football.

And I disagree that it’d extend drives and burn up clock. That kind of thing would lead to even more 3&O than we already have. Hell, the precious few 1st downs we do have mostly come from pass plays and you want to eliminate them?

Its pretty simple really…

This team is suffering from 3 main things.

1) Recruiting misses on the OL and failure to coach them up. That’s on Brian and Barnett

2) Mind-bendingly atrocious play calling in ALL situations. That’s on Brian.

3) Terrible quarterbacking. We have a QB coach who’s never played the position, and admitted in a podcast with Leistikow that he has no idea what he’s doing. You can go listen to it for free. That’s on Brian and Kurt

There’s no need to reinvent the wheel here. What Iowa needs to do is use NIL to get some better OL recruits in the door and coach the ones we do have. Brian was actually good at it.

Call plays that aren’t stupid.

Get a QB that can hit targets, use his feet, and knows when to get rid of the ball. We’ve had several, we can find another. And for F’s sake get rid of the guy who is asshole deep in all of our problem areas—Brain Ferentz.
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Disagree on 3. A good coach can coach it. This should be the qb coach can't coach. Neither can the oc.
 
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