Sean Keeler takes us gloaters to task

[JHHawk]

I am not among the gloaters but not much can be done about ISU's fate...by anyone.
Now,as has been said, wrestling prospers at all kinds of schools,small and otherwise...so ISU can still be a power in that sport.
In bb, they might even benefit from being in a weaker league like the MW,or MAC. They have not been making tourny appearances in the Big 12 lately.
Football? Again, if they landed in the Big East,MW or Conf USA, they could win more games,and do ok on the field. Now, do they really get 10 million from the Big 12 BCS bowls earnings? I thought Texas got the lions share of all that revenue? Or just the tv money? This is a blow,no doubt. Can Pollard earn his salary by finagling a spot in a BCS conference like maybe the MW? Or, if they really have faith in their football program and coach, maybe go indy like ND and get to keep the whole pie when they make the Fiesta Bowl? Sometimes, it is not anyone elses fault...and you have to just eat it.

 

[highonhawks]

You're the first to say what I've been thinking. I look for ISU to come out more fired up than ever this year in Iowa City. We better be ready.

I'm with you guys on this..The clones will be playing like their hair is on fire against the Hawks and everyone else in their conference this year.Will it be enough? Who knows but we better be ready.It could turn out to be a pivotal game for us..

 

[tcnato93]

If you read ANY article in the DM register about the Hawks you will instantly see posts from ISU fans about what a bunch or criminals the Hawks are. When that was all going on some Clone fans were absolutely giddy. When the victim's mother wrote her letter - It was - see we told you the Hawkeyes were evil. When Sally Mason almost got fired - it was a big party for some of them. When the PC falsely accused Ferentz of destroying evidence and covering up - some of them were ecstatic. When the board of regents ordered and investigation - it was the best thing ever. When the report came back and cleared Ferentz - they said the regents hired that firm because they Knew they would send back a favorable report.

I do think that to much gloating is going on here. I do think that what is happening to Iowa State is bad, and it's not their fault. I do think that it is bad for the state of Iowa on some degree. But, when Hawkeye fans gloat, I understand. Because sometimes in life you reap what you sew.

So get of your high horse Keeler.

 

[ShadasRevenge]

I'm with you guys on this..The clones will be playing like their hair is on fire against the Hawks and everyone else in their conference this year.Will it be enough? Who knows but we better be ready.It could turn out to be a pivotal game for us..

I don't think anything that has happened over the last few days will have any bearing on how fired up the Clones are that weekend. They're going to hear that they have no chance for the entire week before the game, and Rhoads will play off of that.

Thankfully, emotion can only get you so far before talent takes over.

 

[HawkeyeShane]

I don't think anything that has happened over the last few days will have any bearing on how fired up the Clones are that weekend. They're going to hear that they have no chance for the entire week before the game, and Rhoads will play off of that.

Thankfully, emotion can only get you so far before talent takes over.

Exactly...emotion usually ends with a punch in the nose and doesn't pick up again until after the fight, if you survived that punch in the nose and win because you executed better than your opponent.

 

[HawkeyeShane]

Relatively little snickering? Are you freaking kidding me?? The amount of happiness shown on this board over ISU's situation is scary. If ISU doesn't end up in a BCS conference, it is a bad thing for the state of Iowa.

Go back and take a look...I think you'll find that it's usually the same posters, with multiple barbs in multiple threads...the "loudmouth minority" if you will...

Edit: And if you look at past history, the "amount of happiness" from Clone fans, if the tables were turned, would be unmeasurable.

 

[Ozhawk]

The point is that being in a BCS conference should provide dollars to the state. Unless you really want Ames and the Ames area to go through a depression, the income from a BCS conference is good for the state. UofI gets $20+ million, ISU current gets around $10 million, and most non-Big XII options currently avaialable to ISU look to be $3 million or less. That is a huge drop in financial influx to the state.

BULL! ISU gets financial wellfare from the taxpayers. Their sports program uses Iowa taxpayer funding to pay for their programs. I am not sure of the amount but it is over 1 million dollars. So part of my tax money supports a sports prgram that I have NO INTEREST IN. That my friend is BULL! Then your jerkwater AD spews out BULL in saying that Iowa is subsidized by the BTN. BULL! AGAIN. Iowa is part owner of the sports network and last time I checked cable/satellite was an OPTION. Take your BULL elsewhere. ISU failing does NOTHING to me or my favorite team. ISU failing HELPS the U of I. If you fools go down the tube I prediect within 10 years we grap 40-50 % of your fan base and will have to increase our stadium seating by 10,000 (which is roughly the size of Nebby.

 

[Ozhawk]

Actually the Register has moved to the right. Hence, the reason is sucks...

THis is a joke. The DSM even admits that it is more liberal. The DSM has endorsed every liberal POTUS and Potus candidate since the downfall.

In october of 2008 the register officially endorsed Barak Obama

the previous year the Register officially endorsed Hillary Clinton.

If you think it went right then you are insane.
If the register were right leaning how can you explain them endorsing the more liberal president in the History of our country?

 

[Pooker]

Iowa gains barely anything in recruiting if ISU drops a level. You don't need to be in a BCS conference in basketball to be successful. I'm probably missing someone, but Jason Scales was the last high caliber recruit in football that chose ISU over Iowa.

I am thinking that the pool for potential walkons becomes more rich if ISU is not BCS level.

 

[Hawke]

Go back and take a look...I think you'll find that it's usually the same posters, with multiple barbs in multiple threads...the "loudmouth minority" if you will...

Edit: And if you look at past history, the "amount of happiness" from Clone fans, if the tables were turned, would be unmeasurable.

Absolutely true. I don't wish any ill will towards ISU; hell, I grew up in and around Ames and have good memories about the campus but ever since I started reading threads over on Cyclone Frenetic I have learned that there are more Cyclones grads with an unhealthy obsession with Iowa than just some of my more unfortunate in-laws.

These fans I feel no pity for and I will admit that while I hope that ISU lands on it's feet, it is enjoyable watching the Iowa-obsessed-inferiority-complexed-based version of the ISU fan flailing about in utter confusion and fear of the unknown.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a family reunion in Ames to attend and I plan on having an extremely enjoyable afternoon.

 

[HawkeyeShane]

Absolutely true. I don't wish any ill will towards ISU; hell, I grew up in and around Ames and have good memories about the campus but ever since I started reading threads over on Cyclone Frenetic I have learned that there are more Cyclones grads with an unhealthy obsession with Iowa than just some of my more unfortunate in-laws.

These fans I feel no pity for and I will admit that while I hope that ISU lands on it's feet, it is enjoyable watching the Iowa-obsessed-inferiority-complexed-based version of the ISU fan flailing about in utter confusion and fear of the unknown.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a family reunion in Ames to attend and I plan on having an extremely enjoyable afternoon.

That's why I don't lurk at CFN...they're entitled to their opinion on their own board...what I base my opinion on is, hearing what they say on SoundOFF or on KXnO...when I don't have the option of letting them have their say, in their own venue...

I wish them no ill will either and I'm sure ISU is going to land on their feet despite these nervous and tenuous times, but claiming Iowa fans are all a bunch of d-bags, taking too much glee in all of this is false...they're just using Iowa as an outlet for their anger, when they should be blaming their own conference, Texas and their own hierarchy for putting themselves and their conference in this situation.

Texas sees what the BigTen Network is doing and wants an even bigger piece of the pie...the big piece the Big12 carved out for them isn't big enough anymore and they're the ones causing conference instability...ISU fans can hate on Iowa and the Big10, but it's not their fault that Nebraska had had enough and was in a position to get the hell out of Dodge.

 

[tcnato93]

That's why I don't lurk at CFN...they're entitled to their opinion on their own board...what I base my opinion on is, hearing what they say on SoundOFF or on KXnO...when I don't have the option of letting them have their say, in their own venue...

I wish them no ill will either and I'm sure ISU is going to land on their feet despite these nervous and tenuous times, but claiming Iowa fans are all a bunch of d-bags, taking too much glee in all of this is false...they're just using Iowa as an outlet for their anger, when they should be blaming their own conference, Texas and their own hierarchy for putting themselves and their conference in this situation.

Texas sees what the BigTen Network is doing and wants an even bigger piece of the pie...the big piece the Big12 carved out for them isn't big enough anymore and they're the ones causing conference instability...ISU fans can hate on Iowa and the Big10, but it's not their fault that Nebraska had had enough and was in a position to get the hell out of Dodge.

Exactly, if the hand of god came out of the sky and squashed Ames like a bug, it would somehow be Iowa's fault. It was all just a diabolical plan when we joined the big ten 100 years ago for Iowa to destroy ISU someday.

Losing Nebraska does not destroy the big 12. One team can be replaced, two teams can be replaced. But losing 6 to the pac 10 - that's what is going to destroy the big 12. And who's fault is that - TEXAS.

They drove Nebraska out of the league. They moved the big 12 offices to Texas. Texas won't share revenue. They put time on the clock in the big 12 championship game so Texas could kick the game winning field goal and play for a national championship. They added Baylor so all the Texas teams could be one big happy family. Texas could hold the big 12 together if they wanted to. And none of that has anything to do with Iowa!

 

[hawkdrummer1]

Exactly, if the hand of god came out of the sky and squashed Ames like a bug, it would somehow be Iowa's fault. It was all just a diabolical plan when we joined the big ten 100 years ago for Iowa to destroy ISU someday.

Losing Nebraska does not destroy the big 12.

-No, but it's a good start.

 

[silvanthalas]

The clones will be playing like their hair is on fire against the Hawks

And how is this is any different than the last few years exactly?

 

[tm3308]

THis is a joke. The DSM even admits that it is more liberal. The DSM has endorsed every liberal POTUS and Potus candidate since the downfall.

In october of 2008 the register officially endorsed Barak Obama

the previous year the Register officially endorsed Hillary Clinton.

If you think it went right then you are insane.
If the register were right leaning how can you explain them endorsing the more liberal president in the History of our country?

And Fox news admits they are fair and balanced.

 

[troy]

That's why I don't lurk at CFN...they're entitled to their opinion on their own board...what I base my opinion on is, hearing what they say on SoundOFF or on KXnO...when I don't have the option of letting them have their say, in their own venue...

I wish them no ill will either and I'm sure ISU is going to land on their feet despite these nervous and tenuous times, but claiming Iowa fans are all a bunch of d-bags, taking too much glee in all of this is false...they're just using Iowa as an outlet for their anger, when they should be blaming their own conference, Texas and their own hierarchy for putting themselves and their conference in this situation.

Texas sees what the BigTen Network is doing and wants an even bigger piece of the pie...the big piece the Big12 carved out for them isn't big enough anymore and they're the ones causing conference instability...ISU fans can hate on Iowa and the Big10, but it's not their fault that Nebraska had had enough and was in a position to get the hell out of Dodge.

Good points, Shane. I also don't look at the Iowa State boards. I like a lot of their coaches; Coach Fennelly and Coach Rhoads are two great Iowa guys, and you have to like Fred Hoiberg, because he is a great IOWAN! I know, as Iowa fans, that we would not stand for our AD to behave like Pollard behaves. It is unbelievable that Cylclone fans give him a pass just because he is on their side.

 

[agcy68]

BULL! ISU gets financial wellfare from the taxpayers. Their sports program uses Iowa taxpayer funding to pay for their programs. I am not sure of the amount but it is over 1 million dollars. So part of my tax money supports a sports prgram that I have NO INTEREST IN. That my friend is BULL! Then your jerkwater AD spews out BULL in saying that Iowa is subsidized by the BTN. BULL! AGAIN. Iowa is part owner of the sports network and last time I checked cable/satellite was an OPTION. Take your BULL elsewhere. ISU failing does NOTHING to me or my favorite team. ISU failing HELPS the U of I. If you fools go down the tube I prediect within 10 years we grap 40-50 % of your fan base and will have to increase our stadium seating by 10,000 (which is roughly the size of Nebby.

An option??? I believe that every cable subscriber in the state has BTN. I know the only two options that I have, DirecTv and Dish, have the BTN and, if I want to watch anything besides the local channels, I have to get the BTN and am subsidizing the UofI. You are, technically, right that cable is an option, but so is eating mac and cheese every night.

I guess that proping up the UofI is more important to you than the overall health of the state. If ISU falls out of a BCS conference, the state of Iowa has a lot more to loose than UofI has to gain.

If ISU had the BTN money, they would be in the black as well. An honest question for you: Would UofI be in the black without the BTN money?

 

[ShadasRevenge]

An option??? I believe that every cable subscriber in the state has BTN. I know the only two options that I have, DirecTv and Dish, have the BTN and, if I want to watch anything besides the local channels, I have to get the BTN and am subsidizing the UofI. You are, technically, right that cable is an option, but so is eating mac and cheese every night.

I guess that proping up the UofI is more important to you than the overall health of the state. If ISU falls out of a BCS conference, the state of Iowa has a lot more to loose than UofI has to gain.

If ISU had the BTN money, they would be in the black as well. An honest question for you: Would UofI be in the black without the BTN money?

Nobody is saying that, and the "the state of Iowa is doomed" rhetoric is just as over the top and sensationalistic here as it is on CF. Give that **** a rest.

The comparison that has been made by many in this thread is that since Iowa fans are subsidizing the ISU athletic department, maybe we should be able to demand that we don't pay that part of our income tax anymore. Ask yourself how ridiculous that comment sounds - because it is ridiculous - and then compare it to Pollard saying that the profits from the BTN subsidize the Iowa athletic program.

 

[SDK46]

Having a good wrestling, women's BB, volleyball, softball, whatever program is nice, but FB is driving this consolidation bus.

ISU doesn't have a desirable product in 2010. Bottom line.

 

[agcy68]

Nobody is saying that, and the "the state of Iowa is doomed" rhetoric is just as over the top and sensationalistic here as it is on CF. Give that **** a rest.

The comparison that has been made by many in this thread is that since Iowa fans are subsidizing the ISU athletic department, maybe we should be able to demand that we don't pay that part of our income tax anymore. Ask yourself how ridiculous that comment sounds - because it is ridiculous - and then compare it to Pollard saying that the profits from the BTN subsidize the Iowa athletic program.

It isn't about the state being doomed, it is about what is best for the state. Protecting / adding a $20 million per year business to the state is good for the state. Period.

Noone has said that the state of Iowa doesn't give money to ISU that ends up in the ISU athletic department. If I remember correctly, the state of Iowa supplies <10% of the overall ISU budget. So, if the ISU "shortfall" is $1.5 million, that would be about $150K that comes from the state to the Cyclones. How many taxpayers are in the state - 1.5 million? So, it costs each taxpayer about 10 cents. I bet that if you took 10 cents off of your tax payment, the government wouldn't do much about it.

The profits of the BTN do subusidize the UofI athletic programs to the tune of $22 million. I end up paying 85 cents a month to that subsidy program.