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HawkeyeWalker said:
Iowa lost by 2 points, on the last play of the game, with almost no offense in the first half. I would say that's the definition of the defense keeping it close. To say Iowa can't win these types of games was literally an inch from being disproved. Alas, they lost...so you have your platform.

I can agree we didn't use the athletes we have in the best way in the first half. Can't argue there was too many runs into a stacked box, and too much adherence to tendencies. I disagree we don't have the athletes, I think the worm is turning on that front, we may not have the Depth of athletes.
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You fail to grasp that Iowa's O put Iowa in the lead with less than 2 minutes to go with PSU having to drive the length of the field and the Iowa D failed. The D failed.
 
HawkGold said:
Maybe you missed my post on gaslighting.

That said your stupid drivel doesnt make you smarter or me dumber. Anyone knows what bed and not break is. If you watched the game you would have noted the surprise in the announcer. It goes way beyond what normal implementation of what you might see any other program do. Not sure ic the rb is the best in a decade. He certainly good but I guess he's superman saving his career game for Iowa just like Stanford and the very poor Florida offense busting free from the steel Hawkeye defense.

You might caee to look at how a few plays cojld have made that a blowout too. Lets see Im trying to discuss things about BF and all thing F with a guy with your user name...OK.
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I did watch the game, but without sound. Unfortunately that's what the situation dictated. As for the rest I think it's been pretty well addressed already. We're just going to have to agree to disagree.
 
HomerChampless said:
You fail to grasp that Iowa's O put Iowa in the lead with less than 2 minutes to go with PSU having to drive the length of the field and the Iowa D failed. The D failed.
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No, I get it. The offense also put the defense on the field for 100 snaps. The defense came up short in the end, true. Stats and game result notwithstanding, I find it hard to say the defense failed.

Gutwrenching loss. I won't defend the first half offensive playcalling, philosophy, or execution. But I sure as he'll am not gonna put this loss on the defense...they broke at the end, they are likely sick about it.
 
HawkeyeWalker said:
No, I get it. The offense also put the defense on the field for 100 snaps. The defense came up short in the end, true. Stats and game result notwithstanding, I find it hard to say the defense failed.

Gutwrenching loss. I won't defend the first half offensive playcalling, philosophy, or execution. But I sure as he'll am not gonna put this loss on the defense...they broke at the end, they are likely sick about it.
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Maybe the defense was on the field for 100 snaps because they allowed PSU's offense an average of over 10 snaps a series?

Bend but don't break is also designed to wear the defense out. Bend but don't break also keeps the ball from Iowa's offense.

I don't think much of bend but don't break defense. I think Iowa is the only football program I've ever known where the defense getting off the field isn't a goal.
 
HawkGold said:
Its a stat you cant ignore. It was a career day for him. I feel bad for several Iowa players who are really good but play on a team with a gimmicky strategy. Iowa had the better team (slightly) but acted like a team that only could win gimmickly.
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They had 100 plays on offense which means the offense did nothing all night...which means the D will tire....which means any back will look better than normal....get it D was out there 100 plays.
 
seepig said:
They had 100 plays on offense which means the offense did nothing all night...which means the D will tire....which means any back will look better than normal....get it D was out there 100 plays.
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Look, you can't have it both ways. You can't plan on the defense playing bend but don't break defense and also complaining about the defense being on the field for an inordinate amount of plays.

If you want to give the defense a break, tell them to force a few quick fourth downs every once in a while.
 
HomerChampless said:
Look, you can't have it both ways. You can't plan on the defense playing bend but don't break defense and also complaining about the defense being on the field for an inordinate amount of plays.
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Doesn't matter if you can't move the ball on offense you just punt every 3 downs. For you to state that it was simply just bend but don't break, when in fact we did rush with more than 4 many times is just stupid. You can play better D when your ass isn't dragging from playing 100 plays.
 
seepig said:
Doesn't matter if you can't move the ball on offense you just punt every 3 downs. For you to state that it was simply just bend but don't break, when in fact we did rush with more than 4 many times is just stupid. You can play better D when your ass isn't dragging from playing 100 plays.
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However you may wish to politick, Iowa's defense couldn't hold when it was most needed.
 
HomerChampless said:
I dunno. You seem to want to spout that 100 snaps for the defense crap.
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You seem to have everything completely wrong. The idea for a defense is to keep the other team from scoring.

If Iowa had been much more "aggressive" they would have gotten of the field much more, as PSU scored 60yrd touchdowns. And with just about any other RB it would have worked out very well. If you'd seen the game you'd have noticed how many times Barkley was should have had negative play, but was able to make a positive play.

Over the last year PSU has been held under 30 points 3 times: Michigan 10, OSU 24, Minnesota 29. The other big names you might like would be: MSU 45, Wisconsin 38, and USC 49. Do those seem like winning numbers for Iowa?

This loss has to go partly on Stanley, BF, and KF, however the game plan almost worked. Stanley was nervous as all hell and the play calling somewhat reflected that. The number of drops that we had killed a lot of our drives, not to mention the area of the field Iowa live in the first half.

When Stanley was unable to throw passes where a receiver could catch them or weren't lasers instead of giving them a little touch. BF should have had some other wrinkles in the game to help his young QB. Which is where it might be on KF, Iowa needs to use some misdirection instead of just "manball". It would be nice for them to steal some plays out of Wisconsin's book using things like the sweep motion, really anything.

The defense did not lose this game.
 
I think SB had 40+ touches in the game between runs, catches, and KORs. If you want to get your running back hurt, this is how you get your running back hurt. The kid is a stud and one of the best individual performances I have seen.
 
Niemo said:
I knew how much of a stud he was before the game then he put on that performance.

So many times I thought we had him pinned in for a loss or a short gain but then got 6 or 7 yards. He played every down like it was the last play of the game. What a freak and what a freaking effort.

Greatest individual performance ever in Kinnick.

And he's all class. Props to him. Hope he wins the Heisman.
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Johnny ballgame, how have you been? Agreed, superman type effort!!! We were victim to one of the greatest individual rb performances ever to be seen in Kinnick!
 
HawkGold said:
When you try and contain and the back is strong and can accelerate a career day happens. Hawks give up a number of career days.... He is really good. Strategy made him look better. Hawks have studs on D. We played a gimmick defense.
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No, the read option combined with a Rick James style super freak, is what you saw. Not a good rb against a poor scheme. Hurdling defenders, stopping and accelerating like Le'Veon Bell, changing direction on a dime...this had to do with a super effort by Barkley. We gave up 21 pts....if thats gimmick Defense, mmm, that sounds good ill have that.
 
HawkeyeDenis said:
If the defense gets left on the field for 99 plays it's bound to give up some yards. The problem was the offense giving up too many 3 and outs.
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Look, you can't have it both ways. You can't plan on the defense playing bend but don't break defense and also complaining about the defense being on the field for an inordinate amount of plays.

If you want to give the defense a break, tell them to force a few quick fourth downs every once in a while.

You do realize Iowa lost? That moral victories should mean nothing? That Iowa coming close was a fluke? That nine times out of ten Iowa would've been blown out of the game if only PSU had an affective short yardage on a short field offense?
 
HomerChampless said:
Maybe the defense was on the field for 100 snaps because they allowed PSU's offense an average of over 10 snaps a series?

Bend but don't break is also designed to wear the defense out. Bend but don't break also keeps the ball from Iowa's offense.

I don't think much of bend but don't break defense. I think Iowa is the only football program I've ever known where the defense getting off the field isn't a goal.
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Just as any other football concept or scheme, it has both its positives and negatives. If it keeps us competetive, I'll take it.

Also, your last comment is ludicrous. Of course the goal is the get the defense off the field. If you can get a three-and-out of course you will. The idea is just to shut down big plays, and to show more resolve than the other team to keep playing. It's a hard game to play for sure, and takes a super motivated defense, but then again would Iowa have pulled off any of the low scoring upsets that they have under Fry and Ferentz without it? Would Iowa have been two seconds away from a victory on Saturday? I think not.

https://www.reddit.com/r/footballst...what_is_meant_by_bend_but_dont_break_defense/
 
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HomerChampless said:
Look, you can't have it both ways. You can't plan on the defense playing bend but don't break defense and also complaining about the defense being on the field for an inordinate amount of plays.

If you want to give the defense a break, tell them to force a few quick fourth downs every once in a while.

You do realize Iowa lost? That moral victories should mean nothing? That Iowa coming close was a fluke? That nine times out of ten Iowa would've been blown out of the game if only PSU had an affective short yardage on a short field offense?
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"Guys, we gotta get you off the field. Cheat the ends, and go for the sack."

"Oh F, Saquon Barkley busted through for a 60 yard TD run? Guess we should have stuck to the game plan instead of playing Big 12 defense."
 
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