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[HaydenHawk56]

I would just like to see the back-ups get some playing time and experience. I think depth/game experience at QB has hurt us when our number 1 QB gets injured. Iowa needs to take care of business against the lesser teams to get the back-ups some playing time.

Imagine if JVB had more experience in some of the earlier games in 09. Perhaps, we don't lose to Northwestern after Stanzi goes down.

Then again, most of our games were real close in 09 making it harder for JVB to come in.

I still feel Tressel did JVB a huge favor by not blitzing him more in that game. JVB played night and day better from the Northwestern game, but I don't think the game is close against OSU if OSU's defense played more aggressively.

 

[hawkod]

I'm in favor of giving the back-up a series in the 2nd quarter regardless of score, at least in the non-conference games....give him some snaps where he's not just going to be handing off because we're ahead 38-7 in the 4th. Maybe he'll screw up, but at least he'll be thinking about his options at the line and hopefully can learn from them.

 

[olddude]

Here is the thing, being a qb is hard. I watched JVB throw some fades, that blew my mind.
I was watching how Nebby was all oooohhhh and ahhhhh over some kid that chose to be a pitcher for KC. Well thats all good. Throwing a ball very fast and tight is one thing, having the "touch" and the ability to do so under pressure is another. JVB has a good arm and can put some big time zip on it. He can also throw a fade better then most pro's. What he needs to do is "feel" it.

 

[HawkeyeShane]

I'm in favor of giving the back-up a series in the 2nd quarter regardless of score, at least in the non-conference games....give him some snaps where he's not just going to be handing off because we're ahead 38-7 in the 4th. Maybe he'll screw up, but at least he'll be thinking about his options at the line and hopefully can learn from them.

That will never happen (due to Kirk's conservative nature)...but even if it did it would last about 1 pick 6...with Kirk and with most of the fans who would supposedly "love to see it" before the pick 6...

As for Rudock...he'll be starting by the end of training camp...2013.

 

[wundergrape]

All this Rudock-mania makes me nervous. The last time we anointed a guy around here, his name was Jake Christensen and he was playing his Junior year ball at Eastern Illinois.

We have a damned good quarterback, and three unknown variables behind him. That's the lay of the land, like it or not.

 

[hogeye]

That will never happen (due to Kirk's conservative nature)...but even if it did it would last about 1 pick 6...with Kirk and with most of the fans who would supposedly "love to see it" before the pick 6...

As for Rudock...he'll be starting by the end of training camp...2013.

Don't blame Kirk's conservative nature on this. There probably isn't a HC worth his salt that is going to give reps to a second string guy in the 2Q just to get him some reps.

 

[DeanMarshall]

Iowa returns the Big Ten's leader in TD passes from the past year. JV is our QB and will be, so long as his right arm can propel a pigskin, in 2012. Go Hawks

 

[SLarew]

I'm in favor of giving the back-up a series in the 2nd quarter regardless of score, at least in the non-conference games....give him some snaps where he's not just going to be handing off because we're ahead 38-7 in the 4th. Maybe he'll screw up, but at least he'll be thinking about his options at the line and hopefully can learn from them.

Have you ever done this as a coach?? If so, at what level??

Please give me an example of other teams who do this where there is a clear difference between #1 and #2 at QB.

 

[1hawkeye1]

No D1 coach worth a damn would do this. It would tear the team apart from the inside out.
The best player plays. JVB is the best QB. Period.
Rudock's time will come.

 

[SteveGarvey]

If they're sitting at 4-3 they're going to do their darndest to get to bowl eligibility and basically squeeze every win they can out of the schedule. Rudock's not playing except for blowouts or an injury to JVB.

 

[Husky28]

Win what? The Big Ten? I'm glad we agree.

There's more at stake than just winning the B1G. Qualifying for a bowl game is also at stake... you'd literally have to be in a position of the last two games with no possible way of qualifying before you'd start considering other options. Short of a major break down due to issues (see DJK) or an injury and accordingly to history... I don't see KF pulling the QB. Davis is the wild card in this scenario...

 

[thetrza]

That is for certain. Big fan of JVB.

Really? A big fan of JVB? This is what "big fans" do?

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

Who is the Rudduck kid everyone is talking about? Is he a transfer? I haven't seen him play a down yet, but he must be unbelievable if he is going to take over for a guy that is pegged to be an all Big 10 QB this year.

Did he win a JC championship or something cause surely you wouldn't think a redshirt freshman with no playing time and one that his coaches haven't even hinted could possibly win the job, could beat out the JVB.

Geez, nice post OP.

 

[GhostofBTT]

Just when I think a Missouriherk thread couldn't possibly get worse...This is just beyond the pale. Who thinks something this inane, nonetheless shares it with people?

 

[whammer33024]

unless something happens to JVB such as injury or an off the field incident, the only way you will see rudock take over this season is if he's spotted on a moped

 

[Xerxes]

Start from the premise (that hopefully most or all of us can agree upon) that winning a B1G championship as soon (and as often )as possible is the primary goal of the program. If this season isn't going very well, at what point would you begin to give most of the QB playing time to Rudock (or other QB), in order to develop him looking ahead to the future? What would it take for you?

Obviously we want to put together at least somewhat respectable seasons to compete for recruits going forward, but at what point would you accept that the season will end with a mediocre result and start focusing on next season? Most other positions will be much more experienced than QB in 2013 than they will be in 2012, and so having the opportunity to start an experienced QB at the helm in 2013 would be huge.

Not trying to give up on this season before it starts, just thinking about the realistic possibility that we won't be competing on the level we want and would love to be in the hunt in 2013. I say if we start the season say 4-3, with the remaining schedule being by far the toughest, it would be time.

I don't think there is anything wrong with getting the backups in for some snaps during the game but QB is a little different.

They don't need breaks like RBs, WRs, and defenders. Their position is designed to only happen in a small place (the pocket) at Iowa. They're not running all over the place taking hits and getting winded.

Plus if you sub in too much, even if the season has gotten away from you, a coach is sending a poor message to the SRs who have spent 4-5 years in the program and earned their playing time. Its one thing if the SR has been beaten out by a better underclassman. But to sub just for the future, not based only on performance would probably cause some issues within the team.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Start from the premise (that hopefully most or all of us can agree upon) that winning a B1G championship as soon (and as often )as possible is the primary goal of the program. If this season isn't going very well, at what point would you begin to give most of the QB playing time to Rudock (or other QB), in order to develop him looking ahead to the future? What would it take for you?

Obviously we want to put together at least somewhat respectable seasons to compete for recruits going forward, but at what point would you accept that the season will end with a mediocre result and start focusing on next season? Most other positions will be much more experienced than QB in 2013 than they will be in 2012, and so having the opportunity to start an experienced QB at the helm in 2013 would be huge.

Not trying to give up on this season before it starts, just thinking about the realistic possibility that we won't be competing on the level we want and would love to be in the hunt in 2013. I say if we start the season say 4-3, with the remaining schedule being by far the toughest, it would be time.

Tougher call than one may think.

In 2007, Jake C. was woefully inconsistent. Arvell Nelson was considered the "next" QB, and Stanzi was an afterthought. So, Nelson was given the reins for a game...and promptly blew his chance by being unprepared before he ever hit the practice field that week.

If JVB is preparing well, working on any problem areas and doing what the coaches want, I would have a hard time pulling him. There are 11 players on the field for each play. JVB can do everything by the book and still be "failed" by a teammate or two failing to execute. I have a hard time believing Rudock, or any other QB, would make much difference.

My feeling is that backup QBs need to get mop time in blowouts. A 21-point lead going into the fourth quarter should be enough to allow a backup QB onto the field for a couple/few series of plays.

 

[HawkeyeShane]

Don't blame Kirk's conservative nature on this. There probably isn't a HC worth his salt that is going to give reps to a second string guy in the 2Q just to get him some reps.

I'm with you...but there are coaches who would do it so I used that as a reason why Kirk wouldn't...

 

[OUTofTOWNHAWK]

All this Rudock-mania makes me nervous. The last time we anointed a guy around here, his name was Jake Christensen and he was playing his Junior year ball at Eastern Illinois.

We have a damned good quarterback, and three unknown variables behind him. That's the lay of the land, like it or not.

False if he would have had two years at Eastern Illinois then he would have played Iowa his SR year.

 

[AZHAWKFAN1]

Does anyone remember who stayed at school to work with the new O.C.? That's right, it was JVB. He gave up spring break to better learn and get familiar with the offense. That, my friends, is the definition of a leader!