Rory

hawkfarmer said:
I wasn't saying you were comparing Rory and Tiger, that was a general statement.

what I'm saying is you can't compare the way courses scored even cut line. The way they set the courses up on Thursday and Friday are much different than Sat/Sun. So how can you compare the courses within each year. There is also a confounding effect with technology etc. You can compare the courses, but how do you compare the scores between the courses. That is what I meant.

Also, it is like you said the cut line can be very deceptive for comparison. If 1 guy is under par and everyone else is at +6 or if there are 20 underpar and spread the rest of the way it is very different.
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Not entirely true. Say you just use the top 60 + ties. It tells you where the top 60 are shooting. Yes, you may have some guys that are the anomaly in the group and are shooting really low (usually 5-10 guys are heading the field). But it is a GREAT average of how the entire field is playing the course.
If you have 20 guys under par but the rest of the field is 5 shots back...it tells you that THOSE guys are playing pretty darn well but overall the course is pretty tough. In that case the cut line would be more like +6 or +7 because you have to go back to 60 guys. The cut line is a great indicator of how tough the course is playing. And there have been plenty of times the cut line has been around +4.
 
Hawkeye11en1 said:
Not entirely true. Say you just use the top 60 + ties. It tells you where the top 60 are shooting. Yes, you may have some guys that are the anomaly in the group and are shooting really low (usually 5-10 guys are heading the field). But it is a GREAT average of how the entire field is playing the course.
If you have 20 guys under par but the rest of the field is 5 shots back...it tells you that THOSE guys are playing pretty darn well but overall the course is pretty tough. In that case the cut line would be more like +6 or +7 because you have to go back to 60 guys. The cut line is a great indicator of how tough the course is playing. And there have been plenty of times the cut line has been around +4.
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not entirely either: lots of ways to look at it:

1 guy great, rest at 3-6 over cut = +6 TOUGH COURSE

20 guys from -1 to -6, 20 guys at +2 to E 20 guys from +6 to +3 cut = +6 not too tough

Those are pretty different, though the cut is the same, and yes I know they are extreme views but that's my point.
 
What is the better performance, 2011 US Open - Rory or 2000 Tiger Woods at Pebble?

What I found really crazy is, Jason Day's score at -8 this year would have won all but 2 US Open's in the 111 year history (and tied 2 others), this year and 2000 when Tiger won at Pebble. Tiger was the only one under par at Pebble and won by 15 just as an FYI. Hats off to Rory, unreal week and great playing.
 
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BLKNGOLD48 said:
What is the better performance, 2011 US Open - Rory or 2000 Tiger Woods at Pebble?

What I found really crazy is, Jason Day's score at -8 this year would have won all but 2 US Open's in the 111 year history (and tied 2 others), this year and 2000 when Tiger won at Pebble. Tiger was the only one under par at Pebble and won by 15 just as an FYI. Hats off to Rory, unreal week and great playing.
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Tied more like 5 others, but I get your point.
 
hawkfarmer said:
not entirely either: lots of ways to look at it:

1 guy great, rest at 3-6 over cut = +6 TOUGH COURSE

20 guys from -1 to -6, 20 guys at +2 to E 20 guys from +6 to +3 cut = +6 not too tough

Those are pretty different, though the cut is the same, and yes I know they are extreme views but that's my point.
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Agreed. I started typing something but completely forgot if it was making my point or refuting it. That's when I know I have discussed something a little too much. Good discussion Hawkfarmer. :D
 
hawkfarmer said:
You both nailed it. The course was the problem. Rory deserves it because he played the best on the course. I personally like switching courses every year, but you shouldn't compare the courses. The only score that matters is under par. Rory had the best under par score ever in the U.S. Open, he gets that record, but to say he was as dominant as Tiger in 2000 just doesn't work. There are way to many variables to make an accurate comparison.

I will say that I like Rory's game better as someone else says his swing is amazing and it's not the violent swing that Tiger had.
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If you could combine Rory's drive/iron play with Tiger's short game/putting you'd get the perfect golfer. That's the difference between this year's Masters and US Open. The final round of the Masters, Rory couldn't buy a putt. That didn't happen to him at the US open.
 
Clark said:
If you could combine Rory's drive/iron play with Tiger's short game/putting you'd get the perfect golfer. That's the difference between this year's Masters and US Open. The final round of the Masters, Rory couldn't buy a putt. That didn't happen to him at the US open.
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He couldn't buy much of anything on the back nine of the Masters. That was one ugly meltdown. My wife even felt bad for the kid. When he knelt over his driver after hitting it in the creek on 15 (was it?)...oh man, that was just not fun to watch.
 
Hawkeye11en1 said:
He couldn't buy much of anything on the back nine of the Masters. That was one ugly meltdown. My wife even felt bad for the kid. When he knelt over his driver after hitting it in the creek on 15 (was it?)...oh man, that was just not fun to watch.
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No it wasn't. That back nine was painful and I'm glad CBS stopped showing his shots.

Anyway, now I'd really like to see Tiger get healthy and these two end up in the final pairing at a major. Tiger never really had a rival so it would be a lot of fun to watch him go up against somebody that could challenge him.
 
Clark said:
No it wasn't. That back nine was painful and I'm glad CBS stopped showing his shots.

Anyway, now I'd really like to see Tiger get healthy and these two end up in the final pairing at a major. Tiger never really had a rival so it would be a lot of fun to watch him go up against somebody that could challenge him.
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No it wasn't 15 or no it wasn't painful to watch?

EDIT: It was 15.
 
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Clark said:
If you could combine Rory's drive/iron play with Tiger's short game/putting you'd get the perfect golfer. That's the difference between this year's Masters and US Open. The final round of the Masters, Rory couldn't buy a putt. That didn't happen to him at the US open.
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Rory is a much much better putter than Tiger right now. Rory 3 putted 1 time in 4 days at the US Open and that was on Sunday when he was up 10 shots. Rory also didn't 3 putt at Augusta until the last day. His putting stroke is gorgeous and better than Tigers right now. Also Tiger is a horrible chipper. He use to be good but hasn't been for the last 1 1/2.

I'm a huge Tiger fan too. I will say that Tiger is a better mid to long iron player than Rory but when Rory is hitting his drives 320 down the fairway he rarely has to hit long irons
 
Cyclones17 said:
Rory is a much much better putter than Tiger right now. Rory 3 putted 1 time in 4 days at the US Open and that was on Sunday when he was up 10 shots. Rory also didn't 3 putt at Augusta until the last day. His putting stroke is gorgeous and better than Tigers right now. Also Tiger is a horrible chipper. He use to be good but hasn't been for the last 1 1/2.

I'm a huge Tiger fan too. I will say that Tiger is a better mid to long iron player than Rory but when Rory is hitting his drives 320 down the fairway he rarely has to hit long irons
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Tiger is 35 and was basically playing on one leg. I was talking about Tiger in his prime. Even in his prime, Tiger didn't drive the ball as straight as Rory does. He just had an incredible ability to hit great shots no matter where he was on the course. But in his prime, there was no better pressure putter in the world than Tiger Woods.
 
Cyclones17 said:
Rory is a much much better putter than Tiger right now. Rory 3 putted 1 time in 4 days at the US Open and that was on Sunday when he was up 10 shots. Rory also didn't 3 putt at Augusta until the last day. His putting stroke is gorgeous and better than Tigers right now. Also Tiger is a horrible chipper. He use to be good but hasn't been for the last 1 1/2.

I'm a huge Tiger fan too. I will say that Tiger is a better mid to long iron player than Rory but when Rory is hitting his drives 320 down the fairway he rarely has to hit long irons
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Let's wait another 12 to 14 years on Rory then let's compare.

Rory had a great week and won the US Open, good for him and well deserved. Now back to reality Rory has won twice, 1- Major and 1- Regular tourny on the PGA tour.. He has played in 72 events on the European Tour and won once. Rory turned pro 4 years ago (2007). So now all of a sudden he is one of the greats of golf?? :confused: The answer is very easy, not yet!! Rory just had a great week where everything came together.


Tiger in his first 4 years as a pro had 15 wins and 2 Majors.
 
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Here's an article that contains a statistical look at the Top 20 Major performances since 1960 --> Relative Dominance: Rory McIlroy's run at Congressional - Grantland

Rory's performance is 17th out of 20 on the list.

I am not always into stats like this, but it is interesting. Here's the one that blows me away. Jack Nicklaus performance in the 1977 British Open is listed as 10th. He beat the rest of the field by 10 strokes. Oh, by the way, he lost to Tom Watson by 1. 2 golfers 10 strokes ahead of the field! Watson set the scoring record by 8 strokes, which means Nicklaus beat it by 7!

This SI Classic recalls the 1977 British Open, in which - 07.18.94 - SI Vault
 
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