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teachercoach

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8 year NCAA investigation, 9 game suspension coach Syracuse vs. 18 year academic fraud, but no sanctions North Carolina.

Is it a road worth traveling? It may bumpy, but who remembers, who cares and it does it work

just saying
 
Yeah we should just cheat. Who cares. Victory before honor. If it works as should just have a bunch of scum bags running out athletic department. That way I can feel good about myself as a fan of a winning team.
 
I think this is a somber reminder of what it takes to win championships. It's not the Iowa way, but many on this board expect us to win without going over to the dark side, which is nearly impossible. Winning honestly has a ceiling, and Fran has done a great job of getting us close. Just sayin'.
 
What makes reality harder to handle is the cost of Iowa basketball and football, keep going through the roof. If you aren't prepared to pull out all of the stops to win titles, don't expect your fans to keep paying a king's ransom for pauper's results. Or even a noblemen's results. Why compete in the "arms race" of college sports when cheaters are the only ones who prosper?
UNC = CHEAT your *** off, self report nothing and lawyer up when it's time to pay the piper. It has worked for them. Why on God's earth would any program self report a violation?
I understand why people want to do it the right way. I'm on that side. But the AD can kiss my arse when it comes to donations, seat licensing, and priority seating. Only to sit and watch the CHEATERS walk away with the titles every year????? Why would I buy into that system again??
 
It is easy to get the point of the poster that it pays to cheat. Cheating has been a part of college athletics almost since sports became part of the college scene. Where there is big money there is greed. Over the decades colleges, boosters, coaches, and athletes have participated in some form of cheating. If you look at the character of the people that get caught or exposed they generally are people willing to take shortcuts to get ahead. Unfortunately there are places where winning over shadows good character even if it means taking risks with people that are prone to get in trouble.

Rick Pitino admits nothing about prostitutes being used as part of recruiting. Yet some past assistant is the focus of the blame. To find prostitutes you have to an assistant coach that knows where to find them and his hiring was/is on Pitino. Louisville should have fired him on the spot. They didn't because winning overrides doing the decent thing. The OP will be able to write the same post in four years using Louisville as one of the examples.
 
teachercoach said:
8 year NCAA investigation, 9 game suspension coach Syracuse vs. 18 year academic fraud, but no sanctions North Carolina.

Is it a road worth traveling? It may bumpy, but who remembers, who cares and it does it work

just saying
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18 years involving between 3,000 & 5,000 students and student-athletes!
 
I have not watched any game but the Iowa games the entire tournament. I don't plan to watch anymore until this is cleaned up either.
 
ClintonIAfan said:
I have not watched any game but the Iowa games the entire tournament. I don't plan to watch anymore until this is cleaned up either.
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I see people say this and think boy that's sad and honestly you're loss, missing some great basketball. Some incredibly talented players in College Basketball and why not enjoy them at the last most purest or basketball levels before they get ruined in the NBA..
 
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eyekwah said:
It is easy to get the point of the poster that it pays to cheat. Cheating has been a part of college athletics almost since sports became part of the college scene. Where there is big money there is greed. Over the decades colleges, boosters, coaches, and athletes have participated in some form of cheating. If you look at the character of the people that get caught or exposed they generally are people willing to take shortcuts to get ahead. Unfortunately there are places where winning over shadows good character even if it means taking risks with people that are prone to get in trouble.

Rick Pitino admits nothing about prostitutes being used as part of recruiting. Yet some past assistant is the focus of the blame. To find prostitutes you have to an assistant coach that knows where to find them and his hiring was/is on Pitino. Louisville should have fired him on the spot. They didn't because winning overrides doing the decent thing. The OP will be able to write the same post in four years using Louisville as one of the examples.
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It's obviously not just basketball either. Penn State cared way too much about winning and covered up unthinkable things. When it gets to that level, a program should be shut down for awhile. No real examples are set with major programs anymore. Self imposed one year bans are a joke. Have to keep the money making programs afloat and competitive at all costs.
 
IlpYGwoeBk said:
lol... just, wow...
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That's it, that is the only response you've got? lol wow is right.. Next time might toss in why you disagree! :)


College Basketball is the last step of the purest of levels of Basketball, the NBA is a joke! The NCAA Tournament is the greatest sporting event in sports.
 
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The academic fraud for some reason doesn't bother me as much. Probably, because I accept that many Football and Men's Basketball players at the Division 1 level are not truly student-athletes. And whether its blatant academic fraud, or simply steering them into majors with athlete-friendly professors, it happens to some extent everywhere.

Syracuse, however, has had scandal from improper benefits, to academic fraud, to that assistant coach accused of Sandusky-like things. That program smells from all angles.
 
I wonder if Michigan, Illinois, UNLV fans, etc. really care that some of their greatest teams were made up of players acquired in a less-than-honest manner. Something tells me "no". The flying illini, fab 5, etc. etc. All you hear about is how great those teams were, not that they are tainted by shady recruiting. Do UK fans care that John Calipari has a checkered past, and is still most likely bending the rules? Leopards don't change their spots, right? Judging by the amount of UK fans that show up for their NCAA games, I'd say it doesn't bother them much, either.

Vacated wins? No one really gives a rip, and you can vacate all the wins you want - it doesn't change the fact that other programs were still cheated out of those recruits that they might have had otherwise, if not for other coaches' recruiting practices.

Of course "the right way" would be great, but at a school like Iowa, that usually means mediocrity. I don't expect our coaches to be choir boys - you have to push the envelope. I don't like it, but I think it's a fact.
 
I started a similar thread some time ago very similar to this. Is the price worth it to pay? I also got blasted to a point by some who didn't really understand my point or what I was pointing out.

I didn't say I approved of cheating, I was merely asking does a program get more out of cheating than what they would have to pay if caught? It's a f up'd system and hate that teams like that get an advantage.
 
ClintonIAfan said:
I have not watched any game but the Iowa games the entire tournament. I don't plan to watch anymore until this is cleaned up either.
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It isn't like you are going to save the World or the reputation of NCAA amateur sports. Watch the games for geeez sakes. I mean you had to come on a message board to tell us all you were on strike, if you didn't, nobody would have ever known. ;)

But, if you are doing it for you own personal reasons, carry on, I respect that. :D
 
MelroseHawkins said:
I started a similar thread some time ago very similar to this. Is the price worth it to pay? I also got blasted to a point by some who didn't really understand my point or what I was pointing out.

I didn't say I approved of cheating, I was merely asking does a program get more out of cheating than what they would have to pay if caught? It's a f up'd system and hate that teams like that get an advantage.
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I don't like it either, but also believe it's the way things are. Believe me, I'd rather see things cleaned up than see everyone cheating - but that's a pipe dream and it bugs me even more to have Iowa be 100% squeaky clean and probably lose out on recruits to those who aren't.

As for whether programs get more out of it - ask Lou Henson, Steve Fisher, Jerry Tarkanian, etc. if they'd have gotten all those recruits otherwise. Then again, I suppose you have to be "good" at cheating. Look at Kelvin Sampson who's at IU for 2 years or less before getting canned. Didn't take long.

Look, I don't want to see Iowa on probation. But I also want to see our program do everything it possibly can, within the rules (maybe even pushing it a bit) to win as much as possible.

Sometimes I wonder if this program is a little bit TOO honest.
 
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