Ricky Storm Rising

He is actually the exact opposite of Boller. Boller was an average college QB, didn't complete a lot of passes, but had an amizing arm and tools. Stanzi was a good college QB, a winner and a good leader, but gets dinged for his tool set.
If you are saying that he will just be a regular backup like Boller that is one thing, but that would be their only similarity if it happens. (unless Stanzi is dating miss Iowa and I didn't know about it.)

No I was just going by their draft position and post draft playing time. That's why I mentioned the high draft pick (overvalued IMO) and get some playing time on a good team...then to backup.

Nothing of their skill set is similar, wasn't saying that.
 
What if he gets drafter higher than the third round? What if he becomes even a semi-star in the NFL? What does that say about Ferentz as a coach and developing talent? No D1 schools wanted him did they?

A lot of people will probably point to 08 and ask why he wasn't the starter from the get go. I like to think--and may be way off--that Ferentz knew Stanzi would be the guy, but felt that he wasn't getting serious enough, and Ferentz had to keep rotating him and Christensen so Stanzi knew he had to keep working hard to keep his job. Thereby making him a better QB in the long run. That's all speculation of course, and may be a long shot, but I like to think that was the case.

Urban Legend #849

RS couldn't beat out Jake C.

Jake had acceptable stats from the prior year, wasn't a team distraction, and had Kirk's loyalty for many reasons including what he and his dad did during recruiting. Kirk NEVER wanted to replace him. KOK (resident Satan among Hawk fans) had to beg Kirk to give Ricky a chance. Once Ricky got his chance it was clear who had more upside, but that darn KF "gut feeling" took some convincing. It actually says a lot about RS that he was able to beat out Jake at all considering the inertia he was fighting.
 
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More specifically, what would that say about KOK's ability to coach and develop talent? That will certainly be a hard pill for some 'Hawkeye' fans to swallow.

Okay, now I KNOW you're an idiot. KOK not being very good at developing QB's would be a "tough pill to swallow" for some "Hawkeye" fans? Where the f*ck have you been for the last 12 years? KOK is ROUTINELY criticized for his shortcomings as both an OC and QB coach.

I think you'd have a MUCH harder time trying to convince the majority of the fanbase that he is GOOD at what he does.
 
No I was just going by their draft position and post draft playing time. That's why I mentioned the high draft pick (overvalued IMO) and get some playing time on a good team...then to backup.

Nothing of their skill set is similar, wasn't saying that.

got it. I was hoping that was the case.

But wasn't Boller a first rounder? I don't remember honestly.
 
Okay, now I KNOW you're an idiot. KOK not being very good at developing QB's would be a "tough pill to swallow" for some "Hawkeye" fans? Where the f*ck have you been for the last 12 years? KOK is ROUTINELY criticized for his shortcomings as both an OC and QB coach.

I think you'd have a MUCH harder time trying to convince the majority of the fanbase that he is GOOD at what he does.

Maybe I am the one misunderstanding this, but it sounds like he's saying the same thing you are. What I think he's saying is that Stanzi's progression is more a function of KOK than KF (which I'd agree with 100%), and that would fly against the general feeling that KOK isn't very good at what he does.
 
Maybe I am the one misunderstanding this, but it sounds like he's saying the same thing you are. What I think he's saying is that Stanzi's progression is more a function of KOK than KF (which I'd agree with 100%), and that would fly against the general feeling that KOK isn't very good at what he does.

This is more of a continuation of his ridiculous stance in the Hyde thread. He's been going off on the defense all week. And anyone who doesn't agree with him is not a true fan who wants the program to become elite.

I've defended the defense all along, and have gotten sick of his "desire" to make the program elite. He basically advocates firing Parker for the sake of improving the defense (that is already consistently among the best in the nation). Now he's saying that the "fans" like me would have a hard time admitting that KOK isn't that good at coaching QB's. He's got things pretty backwards.
 
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Maybe I am the one misunderstanding this, but it sounds like he's saying the same thing you are. What I think he's saying is that Stanzi's progression is more a function of KOK than KF (which I'd agree with 100%), and that would fly against the general feeling that KOK isn't very good at what he does.

thank you 2679, they were saying the same thing
 
I think the new draft set up will help Ricky...day one, then go to bed and day two..

I think that time between the end of the first round, the war rooms going at it all night long, and Stanzi's name starts creeping into the picture, I think he gets selected in the second round.
 
Okay, now I KNOW you're an idiot. KOK not being very good at developing QB's would be a "tough pill to swallow" for some "Hawkeye" fans? Where the f*ck have you been for the last 12 years? KOK is ROUTINELY criticized for his shortcomings as both an OC and QB coach.

I think you'd have a MUCH harder time trying to convince the majority of the fanbase that he is GOOD at what he does.

Dude, you misinterpret more posts on here than anybody. He is saying KOK's detractors will lose ammo if Ricky gets drafted fairly high. He realizes KOK has been criticized for not being able to develop talent at the quarterback position. It would be a tough pill for Hawk fans to swallow if a QB goes so high in the draft who was coached by KOK.
 
got it. I was hoping that was the case.

But wasn't Boller a first rounder? I don't remember honestly.

Yeah, pretty sure he was...he was my best comparison of what I thought Ricky will be in the NFL. Overdrafted was kinda what I was getting after. But I could look like an idiot if Stanzi turns out to be a competent NFL starter.
 
Dude, you misinterpret more posts on here than anybody. He is saying KOK's detractors will lose ammo if Ricky gets drafted fairly high. He realizes KOK has been criticized for not being able to develop talent at the quarterback position. It would be a tough pill for Hawk fans to swallow if a QB goes so high in the draft who was coached by KOK.

So he's 1 for 8 since coming aboard at Iowa? Not that great of an average. I don't mind KOK that much as an OC, but I don't think he's that great with QB's, at least not when he has to handle OC responsibilities as well.

Regardless, cabse5's plan to make Iowa an elite program is completely backwards. He chooses to focus on overhauling the strongest unit (defense), rather than shoring up the weaker one (offense).
 
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I think the new draft set up will help Ricky...day one, then go to bed and day two..

I think that time between the end of the first round, the war rooms going at it all night long, and Stanzi's name starts creeping into the picture, I think he gets selected in the second round.
I'm with you.
 
So he's 1 for 8 since coming aboard at Iowa? Not that great of an average. I don't mind KOK that much as an OC, but I don't think he's that great with QB's, at least not when he has to handle OC responsibilities as well.

Regardless, cabse5's plan to make Iowa an elite program is completely backwards. He chooses to focus on overhauling the strongest unit (defense), rather than shoring up the weaker one (offense).

I hear you on O'Keefe. Obviously a huge failure when it comes to our quarterbacks.

So McCann became an effective Big Ten quarterback his senior year under O'Keefe, so what? McCann represented what we are only beginning to scratch the surface with in Derby. About 235 pounds packed on that 6'4" frame, cannon arm, runs like a deer...yes, any high school coach in the country could have guided McCann into becoming an effective Big Ten quarterback. Total stud.

And then the next year there was that backup guy, Banks or something, who came from a junior college in Mississippi and after only spending a year or so on campus, went on to finish second for that one award they give to the nation's best player. Obviously O'Keefe lucked into superior talent with that guy, Banks or whatever, because he has gone onto fame and riches as a backup QB in Canada and is now gracing the Arena League with his presence.

Also hard to give O'Keefe credit for Chandler. He came in as a starter after only one year in the program, like Banks, so O'Keefe didn't even have a chance to screw him up either. Not even really a test for our QB coach...not even sure what he was doing while our football team was busy finishing 8th in the country that year.

And the next season, after we simplified the offense by losing our top 5 running backs, what other choice did O'Keefe have but to try to win games by crafting the offense around his QB? I mean, we couldn't run the ball, so it didn't exactly take a genius to tell Drew Tate to pass, right? Good thing none of the other Big Ten coaches read the scouting reports that year either, or they may have forced us to pass even more. O'Keefe would have had a much more difficult task in winning a Big Title if that had been the case.

Finally, this Ricky kid? Was he even all-Big Ten? 25 TDs to 6 interceptions, 3,000 yards, 3 bowl wins...say what you want about stats and having one of the best statistical seasons in 100 years of Iowa football, but I don't believe he made the first or second all-conference teams, did he?

Come on, O'Keefe. And what do stats tell us anyway? They often fluctuate from year to year. Ricky's were far worse as a first year, full-time starter as a junior....can't really see what role O'Keefe would have played in the enormous shift in stats from junior to senior year.

Yep, maybe one of these years we'll find ourselves a QB coach.
 
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I hear you on O'Keefe. Obviously a huge failure when it comes to our quarterbacks.

So McCann became an effective Big Ten quarterback his senior year under O'Keefe, so what? McCann represented what we are only beginning to scratch the surface with in Derby. About 235 pounds packed on that 6'4" frame, cannon arm, runs like a deer...yes, any high school coach in the country could have guided McCann into becoming an effective Big Ten quarterback. Total stud.

And then the next year there was that backup guy, Banks or something, who came from a junior college in Mississippi and after only spending a year or so on campus, went on to finish second for that one award they give to the nation's best player. Obviously O'Keefe lucked into superior talent with that guy, Banks or whatever, because he has gone onto fame and riches as a backup QB in Canada and is now gracing the Arena League with his presence.

Also hard to give O'Keefe credit for Chandler. He came in as a starter after only one year in the program, like Banks, so O'Keefe didn't even have a chance to screw him up either. Not even really a test for our QB coach...not even sure what he was doing while our football team was busy finishing 8th in the country that year.

And the next season, after we simplified the offense by losing our top 5 running backs, what other choice did O'Keefe have but to try to win games by crafting the offense around his QB? I mean, we couldn't run the ball, so it didn't exactly take a genius to tell Drew Tate to pass, right? Good thing none of the other Big Ten coaches read the scouting reports that year either, or they may have forced us to pass even more. O'Keefe would have had a much more difficult task in winning a Big Title if that had been the case.

Finally, this Ricky kid? Was he even all-Big Ten? 25 TDs to 6 interceptions, 3,000 yards, 3 bowl wins...say what you want about stats and having one of the best statistical seasons in 100 years of Iowa football, but I don't believe he made the first or second all-conference teams, did he?

Come on, O'Keefe. And what do stats tell us anyway? They often fluctuate from year to year. Ricky's were far worse as a first year, full-time starter as a junior....can't really see what role O'Keefe would have played in that.

Yep, maybe one of these years we'll find ourselves a QB coach.

And (to date) not one is in the NFL, or played in an NFL game (though Stanzi is going to change that).

And still, even if we qualify all of those as rousing success stories, the offense has almost ALWAYS been the one lacking. I'm not advocating firing KOK by any means. I don't think there needs to be any changes to the staff right now.

Cabse5 has been going off on Parker all week, and calling those who don't agree with him "Parker-lovers" who can't see things objectively (even though he chooses to ignore every statistic in the book that says our defenses are the last unit we need to worry about). The offense scored 35 points against two of the worst defenses in the conference (Northwestern and Indiana), while the defense allowed just 34 to two of the best offenses in those two games. But sure, the defense is what needs to step up. Who isn't seeing things objectively, again?

Quick question: if you were building a coaching staff right now, who would you take first? Parker or KOK (disregard Norm's age for this question)?
 
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Thanks for helping by interpreting some of my posts. I thought I was conversing in a foreign language.

Have any of you guys ever encountered a stalker while on HN?
Got any ideas?
 
Thanks for helping by interpreting some of my posts. I thought I was conversing in a foreign language.

Have any of you guys ever encountered a stalker while on HN?
Got any ideas?

Two threads is hardly stalking. Perhaps if you didn't pander such ridiculous ideas, I wouldn't feel the need to call you out.
 
Probably not going to receive a response for a while TM...'Banned' moniker just appeared under his name.

I'm not really sure why his posts got deleted in the Ferentz appreciation/mancrush thread, but I can't help but think that this one (combined with pressing the issues in several other threads) didn't leave much wiggle room:

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Some Hawkeye 'fans' to swallow.
 

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