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Rich Rodriguez fired...
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tm3308
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Not so sure about that. When I made the trip to Ann Arbor, Big Blue was 5-1 with the Heisman front-runner at QB. All but two of the people around me were b*tching about RichRod and wanted him gone (one of those two people was my buddy, obviously rooting for the Hawks, and therefore didn't care about RichRod one way or the other).
Iowafarmgirl
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I loved his offense. If any Michigan fans had a problem with it, then they are waaaay off base. If he had Illinois' defense, he could have won the league with that offense.
imported_ankle23
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except he is the coach of michigan, which includes their defense. just imagine if they had OSU's defense? Or how about Auburn's offense? Throw in Arkansas' special teams. Did you see their punter last night? Freshman kicker not bad either......
Iowafarmgirl
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My point was that if he had a defense with a pulse, he could have competed. If he had a slightly above average defense, he could have challeneged for a title. That's how good their offense was. I am not defending Rodriguez, since he was an undisputeable failure, but I don't know how someone could complain about his offense.
imported_ankle23
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how many points did it score in it's last outing? there you go.
Iowafarmgirl
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C'mon, you know you can't take one game and extrapolate it to explain away a whole season. The fact is they were averaging 500 yards and 35 points a game in the Big 10, which people around here always say acctually plays defense.
There you go.
hawkeyebob62
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Personally, I think the "last outing" is what cinced it. If they win that game, he'd have had a fighting chance. But to show up, actually have a lead, then give up 42 unanswered points? Uh-huh. Not at Michigan.
Frankly, Big Ten coaches have a lot to answer to with regard to 1/1/11. NW gets a semi-pass. Ditto PSU, except how can you stay with a QB who has thrwon 4INTs...and let him throw a 5th for a Rick-6...er, Pick-6...on your way to a possible lead?
D'Antonio? Absolutely no excuse. Beeb? Fared better than MSU, but come on, dude, you virtually abandon your inside running game--the best in the Big Ten and one of the best in all FBS, at that--for outside running plays and pass plays against TCUs D?! At least their fake punt still works. Glad we won't be seeing THAT for a couple years!
Frankly, KF and Tressel were playing, "Can we hold 'em?" football for their respective 2nd- half games. KF you can ALMOST understand, given our losses at RB, WR and continued shortages at LB. And when Greenwood went out, there was a difference. But Tressel?! How do you let up THAT much? And allow a punt-block?!
Illinois was the only Big Ten team that didn't "escape" with a win, and NW was the only team to still think they could win when the 4th quarter arrived.
tweeterhawk
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Disagree. The Hawks -- especially the defense -- were pretty pumped on the sideline during the TV break leading into the fourth quarter in Sun Devils Stadium. Pretty sure they thought they could win.
hawkeyebob62
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Sorry, should've clarified, I meant of the teams playing 1/1, NW was the only one actually acting like it wasn't a lost cause.
And Illinois WAS the only team that didn't "escape", although I'd hardly say the Hawks or OSU didn't earn and deserve their wins, as well.
I'm not Lou Holtz, i.e., still harping on the "escape" we had over UNI in week one of 2009...and STILL harping on it come week EIGHT!
Billso
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LOL...
deanvogs
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Wow, that is enlightening. If he would have had a good defense to go along with a good offense, he would have won the league.....
Why can't people understand that when you run a wide open offense you expose your defense? Why do people think that wide open offenses = a win?
If Ferentz would have gone to Michigan 3 years ago I can GUARANTEE that his BORING offense and bend buy don't break defense would have had that team in 3 straight bowl games, and they would have been battling for conference championships and possibly national championships. I would also guarantee that with the same defensive players with Iowa coaches and system that D would be more than adequate.
Rich Rod is a one trick pony, plain and simple. He will do well at a school like a (West Virginia or Pitt). At Michigan you get great players, you don't need a gimmick, you need good solid offensive and DEFENSIVE coaches and systems.
Iowafarmgirl
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How exactly does a wide open offense expose your defense? Please address your response to Chip Kelly and Urban Meyer.
HawkeyeMike23
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No. Iowa, with a pretty solid secondary, still got picked apart by every good QB we played. Michigan lost so many DB's to injuries and defections the last cpl years that they were playing with mostly freshman and walk ons. They would have gotten killed at 7-10 yards a clip in Ferentz system. Plus there's no way a Ferentz coached team would be putting up the offensive numbers that Rich Rod did. Coaches do have a big impact but you need players too, and Michigan has had bad luck (injuries, transfers, etc) or just flat out missed on evalutating the talent of a lot of defensive players.
Having a wide open offense doesn't mean you can't have a good defense too, just look at Oregon.
deanvogs
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Why would I address it to Chip Kelly or Urban Meyer? I am talking about Rich Rod, and his total and utter lack of addressing half of the game of football....namely defense.
Wide open offenses are fine if you have elite players and you are assured you can score all the time. If you don't, and you lose the field position battles, the time of possession battle, you are exposing your defense time and again to short field, and long day of being on the field.
deanvogs
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No kidding.....
Yet ignoring defense like Rich Rod doesn't usually lead to good defense....Also he gets to recruit the players he wants, this is year 3. If the D is bad it is because he didn't bring in players, really once again showing he just ignores that part of the game.
Iowafarmgirl
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I asked you to address Kelly and Meyer because you said that a wide-open offense was incompatable with a good defense.
Also, how does a wide open offense expose your defense to a short field? I can buy the time of possesion thing, but any offense that fails to work will put pressure on your defense. The thing is, more times than not, Michigan's offense DID work. There defense suffered from more than TOP, they had a bad scheme and bad players.
Again, this all reflects poorly on Rodriguez the coach, but not on his offense, which worked, and was NOT responsible for the D troubles.
HawkeyeMike23
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No kidding.....
Yet ignoring defense like Rich Rod doesn't usually lead to good defense....Also he gets to recruit the players he wants, this is year 3. If the D is bad it is because he didn't bring in players, really once again showing he just ignores that part of the game.
I'm not arguing that it isn't Rich Rods fault that the D sucks, it obviously is. But you said Ferentz and his coaches could make the same players more than adequate, which I highly doubt they could.
deanvogs
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We will have to agree to disagree then. Ferentz and his coaches have proven time and again, he can take players and develop them, and the caliber of athlete that Michigan gets, I think he could have done a much better job with the same players than Rich Rod did.
