Revamp the playoffs

I'd like to see the NCAA mandate 2 P5 OOC opponents for a team to be considered for the playoff just to force some scheduling changes, but then I suppose the smaller schools would scream bloody murder.

It would be neat if college football did what basketball does and have conference competitions, like the Big Ten and ACC challenge. I'm surprised Delaney doesn't get with the Pac12 commissioner and do something like this. It would be an exciting OOC game and be good for TV revenues.
 
It would be neat if college football did what basketball does and have conference competitions, like the Big Ten and ACC challenge. I'm surprised Delaney doesn't get with the Pac12 commissioner and do something like this. It would be an exciting OOC game and be good for TV revenues.
I'd love to see them take 60 teams from P5, split them into groups of 30 with group 1 being designated home and group 2 being designated away. On the second Saturday in November, they play with the matchups set 10 days in advance based on computer rankings for out of conference teams where they attempt to pair up the closest matched games possible based on who gets home and road games. I want to see random games like Iowa-South Carolina or Wisconsin-Texas. Something to make the southern teams play in the cold every once in awhile, too.
 
I don't see how keeping a conference championship game and then going to a 8 team playoff, solves anything. For instance this year you would have a conference championship game loser making the playoffs, and 2 other teams making it that only had to play 12 games, and didn't have to play in a national championship game.

Getting hung up on a number like 16 is kind of silly, especially when some are saying if you lose your conference championship game, then you can't get in. Welp, that makes that game a defacto elimination game anyway. Plus how is it fair that the reward for winning your division is forcing you to play an additional playoff game that the at large teams don't have to play? Georgia's reward for winning their division is playing Bama the week after Thanksgiving while Michigan and Notre Dame get to sit at home, already having their tickets punched?
 
As one commentator stated...........we already have a playoff system, it's starts with your first game of the season. If you keep winning, you'll keep raising your stock and the opportunities for further play and attention will follow.
 
Georgia actually tries to schedule good teams in non-con. They have a protected rivalry with Georgia Tech, so that is one game every year. They have a protected crossover with Auburn, which is always a tough game. They had a series with Clemson a few years ago and have another one in the future with them. They also have played ND and have more games scheduled with ND. I think they also have Texas.

I know you're not calling out Georgia, but part of the problem is teams like Wisconsin, Iowa and Penn State only schedule decent OOC games once every few years, if that. With 9 conference games in the B1G now and a protected game against ISU, I think the odds of Iowa ever scheduling a SEC game are pretty remote. And to be honest, Georgia prefers to play teams in the South for recruiting and given how bad the ACC is, I think it's hard to find decent OOC games.

I'd like to see the NCAA mandate 2 P5 OOC opponents for a team to be considered for the playoff just to force some scheduling changes, but then I suppose the smaller schools would scream bloody murder.
It would be neat if college football did what basketball does and have conference competitions, like the Big Ten and ACC challenge. I'm surprised Delaney doesn't get with the Pac12 commissioner and do something like this. It would be an exciting OOC game and be good for TV revenues.


I know a ton of people here hate soccer, but I'd love to see teams relegated like they are in European leagues. Make the top programs play against each other game in and game out and the ones that can't hang can go down a division and try their luck in the future. Rather than giving them the opportunity to schedule smaller schools in OOC play give them a full schedule of them if they can't handle the big boys.
 
It's required by the NCAA that for a conference to have 2 divisions and a championship game it has to have 12 teams. That's one of the reasons we didn't do it until nebraska joined.

Two divisions are NOT required for a conference to have a championship game, FYI.
 
I know a ton of people here hate soccer, but I'd love to see teams relegated like they are in European leagues. Make the top programs play against each other game in and game out and the ones that can't hang can go down a division and try their luck in the future. Rather than giving them the opportunity to schedule smaller schools in OOC play give them a full schedule of them if they can't handle the big boys.

Are you trying to kill Iowa fans? They're just good enough to be the top of the bottom and the bottom of the top. It would be awful. One year, they would roll through Kansas, Illinois, Iowa State, Nebraska, Minnesota, etc., then the next year they'd be freaking cannon fodder for Ohio State, Michigan, PSU, etc. They would be 9-3/10-2 one year and 3-9 the next year. I wouldn't want to watch that.
 
Are you trying to kill Iowa fans? They're just good enough to be the top of the bottom and the bottom of the top. It would be awful. One year, they would roll through Kansas, Illinois, Iowa State, Nebraska, Minnesota, etc., then the next year they'd be freaking cannon fodder for Ohio State, Michigan, PSU, etc. They would be 9-3/10-2 one year and 3-9 the next year. I wouldn't want to watch that.


Would it be that different than it is now. I see it averaging out to 7 and 8 win seasons.
 
I know a ton of people here hate soccer, but I'd love to see teams relegated like they are in European leagues. Make the top programs play against each other game in and game out and the ones that can't hang can go down a division and try their luck in the future. Rather than giving them the opportunity to schedule smaller schools in OOC play give them a full schedule of them if they can't handle the big boys.
F that.

Not having handicapping systems is what makes competitive sports what they are. There's a reason why in North America we stop doing that after elementary school.

Nobody wants to see a full season of pillow fights between Illinois and UTEP. The whole idea of competition is sink or swim.

And really, we already have what you're suggesting...that's why the NCAA has Divisions 1, 2, and 3. You want to pussify it more?
 
F that.

Not having handicapping systems is what makes competitive sports what they are. There's a reason why in North America we stop doing that after elementary school.

Nobody wants to see a full season of pillow fights between Illinois and UTEP. The whole idea of competition is sink or swim.

And really, we already have what you're suggesting...that's why the NCAA has Divisions 1, 2, and 3. You want to pussify it more?

I guess I don't see what would be wrong about having a tier schedule that evens out the playing field. Like I said it was only a suggestion, but maybe I stand alone where rather than hearing everyone bitch about so and so being more deserving of a spot in an 8 team playoff, I'd rather see say the top 15 teams, based on predetermined criteria, grouped together to battle it out over the course of a season rather than a 4 or 8 team playoff.

I guess if "pussifying" the sport includes grouping equal teams together in a way in that would essentially create it's own super conference in which the top programs, regardless of conference affiliation, would battle it out all season long and those that finish towards the bottom would be swapped out the next season for more deserving programs, then sign me up.

Would the competition really be that bad compared to what were seeing in OOC play on a week to week basis or when those contenders end up squaring off against conference bottom feeders? I guess I'd rather see competitive games being played all season long rather than a 12 game schedule in which half the games are against cupcakes and bottom feeders. Don't see how "sink or swim" applies when half a schedule can be made up of cupcakes.
 
I guess I'd rather see competitive games being played all season long rather than a 12 game schedule in which half the games are against cupcakes and bottom feeders. Don't see how "sink or swim" applies when half a schedule can be made up of cupcakes.

You don't get it, do you? Programs like Northwestern, Iowa, Vanderbilt, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Oregon State, Iowa State, Texas Tech, Mississippi, etc., they have a place in the grand scheme. Their place is to be cannon fodder for Bama, OSU, Oklahoma, Texas, Michigan, PSU, USC, etc. The end game is for the "elite" teams to all have 10+ wins and then play each other at the end. They would destroy the business model if the blue bloods all had to play and all finished grouped around 6-6. That's why conferences exist. OSU and Michigan need guaranteed cannon fodder every year and in exchange for providing cannon fodder, Iowa, Northwestern, Minnesota, etc. all are paid handsomely.

It's why top programs have no problem with doing whatever is necessary to have a good football program. They know that they won't get punished harshly or the death penalty because if Ohio State and Michigan are paying guys, in the grand scheme Iowa and Wisconsin can't bitch too much because the whole value of the B1G media deals is driven by the inordinately large fan bases, cable subscribers and TV viewers those big dogs bring to the table. That's also why the powers that be realized that they better not destroy PSU a few years into their punishment.

Look, the NCAA could level out the playing field fairly easily with something like a 60 scholarship limit and annual cap of 15 scholarships with a 5 year cap of 70 or something, but they never will because the NCAA doesn't care about parity. They lowered the scholarship limits when it reached joke-like levels of competition in the '70's, but they ain't gonna do it again because the system churns too damned much money and the thought of a Cal/K-State/NC State/Arkansas playoff scares the piss out of the NCAA.
 
Ok tis the time of year to start bitching and moaning about the fake playoff college football has. Why are we leaving out a team like OSU who won the 2nd toughest conference and only lost 1 game? Why are we matching 2 of the top college football teams up in a Conference championship game, instead of for the title?

Scrap the conference championship games. They are obsolete with 14 team conferences. It is strictly a money grab and it doesn't even determine who makes the playoffs. In the last 4 years we have let 3 teams into the playoffs who didn't even play in a conference championship game. At the same time a team like Georgia gets eliminated because they had to play in that game.

So what we do is simple, replace conference championship games with the first round of the playoffs. You don't see the FCS wasting time playing a "championship game", and the only reason they even came about was for money. Well we have a bigger money making opportunity in a opening round 8 game college football playoff slate. Here is how you do it.

-Each P5 conference division winner gets a spot (Big12's top 2 teams make it)
-6 at large bids whomever the committee picks.

First round games are a week after Thanksgiving and replace the conference championship games. Opening round games can only be hosted by teams who won their your division (At large teams have to go on the road). At large teams and the 2 "worst" division winners go on the road. Matchups determined by the committee.

After the 1st round games are done, the committee re seed everyone and incorporate those next 4 games into the bowl system. New seeding no longer takes into account winning a division. This years 1st round would have looked like this:

Pitt @ Alabama
Northwestern @ Clemson
Penn St. @ Georgia
LSU @ OU
Florida @ Ohio St
UCF @ Washington
Michigan @ Texas
Notre Dame @Utah

This makes the regular season actually mean something. Win your division and you are in period. It forces ND to join a conference or be regulated to going on the road in the first round every year. It gives a non P5 a shot at the playoffs. It lets regular teams like Northwestern, Pitt, etc a shot at making the playoffs. It sets up inner conference rematches for playoff games instead of wasting it on conference championship games.

Don't tell me that the season is only meaningful if only 4 blue blood teams get selected to make the playoffs. Look at all the great matchups we would have in the 1st round. Michigan vs Texas, Penn St. vs Georgia, Florida vs OSU. Sure you got a couple cakewalks, but if you have the best seasons the first round is always easier.

Anyway, I know TL: DR, at least that is what I would say if someone else posted this.
So many flaws with this it’s hard to know where to begin. Why in the world would anybody want to watch Pitt play in a playoff? Same with Northwestern? Penn State has no business anywhere near a playoff this year.

Move to an 8 team playoff. Eliminate one of the garbage non conference games. Keep the conference championships. The P5 conferences get their champion in the playoffs. Then you take the 3 best at large after that.

This year that would give you:
Bama (Sec champ)
Clemson (Acc champ)
Ohio State (B1G champ)
Oklahoma (B12 champ)
Washington (P12 champ)

3 at larges:
Notre Dame
Georgia
Either UCF or Michigan.

With there only being three at larges that does not give many teams the benefit if they don’t qualify for their conference championship game. It will often leave them on the outside looking in. The regular season is important, the conference championships are extremely important and are play in games for the playoffs.

Pretty simple and should give you the best teams year in and year out while still rewarding the conference champions.

I win.
 
So many flaws with this it’s hard to know where to begin. Why in the world would anybody want to watch Pitt play in a playoff? Same with Northwestern? Penn State has no business anywhere near a playoff this year.

Move to an 8 team playoff. Eliminate one of the garbage non conference games. Keep the conference championships. The P5 conferences get their champion in the playoffs. Then you take the 3 best at large after that.

This year that would give you:
Bama (Sec champ)
Clemson (Acc champ)
Ohio State (B1G champ)
Oklahoma (B12 champ)
Washington (P12 champ)

3 at larges:
Notre Dame
Georgia
Either UCF or Michigan.

With there only being three at larges that does not give many teams the benefit if they don’t qualify for their conference championship game. It will often leave them on the outside looking in. The regular season is important, the conference championships are extremely important and are play in games for the playoffs.

Pretty simple and should give you the best teams year in and year out while still rewarding the conference champions.

I win.
Would only work if the 3 at larges were based on predefined, measurable criteria.

Otherwise you still have a committee picking playoff teams and there will be a huge contingent of people still with a somewhat valid complaint. AP rankings don't work for those last 3 schools because you'd have reporters essentially choosing team 6, 7, and 8 arbitrarily the last week of the season. A popularity contest.

Qualification rules have to be set before you start or it's as objective as figure skating results.
 
Would only work if the 3 at larges were based on predefined, measurable criteria.

Otherwise you still have a committee picking playoff teams and there will be a huge contingent of people still with a somewhat valid complaint. AP rankings don't work for those last 3 schools because you'd have reporters essentially choosing team 6, 7, and 8 arbitrarily the last week of the season. A popularity contest.

Qualification rules have to be set before you start or it's as objective as figure skating results.
Lol. There is always going to be complaining it’s no different in college basketball. I don’t think anyone is arguing that some perfect system for selecting the teams needs to be implemented, because quite frankly that system doesn’t exist. Each year provides something new and that’s part of the fun of it.

Based on my plan, if you want to guarantee your playoff spot, win your conference.
 
So many flaws with this it’s hard to know where to begin. Why in the world would anybody want to watch Pitt play in a playoff? Same with Northwestern? Penn State has no business anywhere near a playoff this year.

Move to an 8 team playoff. Eliminate one of the garbage non conference games. Keep the conference championships. The P5 conferences get their champion in the playoffs. Then you take the 3 best at large after that.

This year that would give you:
Bama (Sec champ)
Clemson (Acc champ)
Ohio State (B1G champ)
Oklahoma (B12 champ)
Washington (P12 champ)

3 at larges:
Notre Dame
Georgia
Either UCF or Michigan.

With there only being three at larges that does not give many teams the benefit if they don’t qualify for their conference championship game. It will often leave them on the outside looking in. The regular season is important, the conference championships are extremely important and are play in games for the playoffs.

Pretty simple and should give you the best teams year in and year out while still rewarding the conference champions.

I win.

In the NFL you have teams that make the playoffs that don't really deserve it, the NFL seems to be doing fine.

For some reason people think it is just fine to have a conference championship game that eliminates teams from the playoffs, but oh no, don't call it a playoff game. The conference championship games are just another playoff game. If Oklahoma, Georgia or Clemson lose their conference title games, they go home, no playoffs for them. I leave Bama off that list, because we all know they get special treatment. I mean why can't we just all call this spade a spade already. Since the conference championship games are already an elimination game, make them part of the playoffs already.
 
In the NFL you have teams that make the playoffs that don't really deserve it, the NFL seems to be doing fine.

For some reason people think it is just fine to have a conference championship game that eliminates teams from the playoffs, but oh no, don't call it a playoff game. The conference championship games are just another playoff game. If Oklahoma, Georgia or Clemson lose their conference title games, they go home, no playoffs for them. I leave Bama off that list, because we all know they get special treatment. I mean why can't we just all call this spade a spade already. Since the conference championship games are already an elimination game, make them part of the playoffs already.
In the system I proposed Georgia would have still made it after losing their conference championship game.

If Texas would have beat Oklahoma I would think 2 loss Oklahoma would have probably got in over UCF or Michigan.

It adds excitement to the conference championship games, however allows for a few at large teams to make it if there happens to be a few great teams in one conference, I.e Georgia.

So you still haven’t found a flaw in my proposal.
 
Lol. There is always going to be complaining it’s no different in college basketball. I don’t think anyone is arguing that some perfect system for selecting the teams needs to be implemented, because quite frankly that system doesn’t exist. Each year provides something new and that’s part of the fun of it.

Based on my plan, if you want to guarantee your playoff spot, win your conferen
I guess I don't see what would be wrong about having a tier schedule that evens out the playing field. Like I said it was only a suggestion, but maybe I stand alone where rather than hearing everyone bitch about so and so being more deserving of a spot in an 8 team playoff, I'd rather see say the top 15 teams, based on predetermined criteria, grouped together to battle it out over the course of a season rather than a 4 or 8 team playoff.

I guess if "pussifying" the sport includes grouping equal teams together in a way in that would essentially create it's own super conference in which the top programs, regardless of conference affiliation, would battle it out all season long and those that finish towards the bottom would be swapped out the next season for more deserving programs, then sign me up.

Would the competition really be that bad compared to what were seeing in OOC play on a week to week basis or when those contenders end up squaring off against conference bottom feeders? I guess I'd rather see competitive games being played all season long rather than a 12 game schedule in which half the games are against cupcakes and bottom feeders. Don't see how "sink or swim" applies when half a schedule can be made up of cupcakes.
Even if this handicapping system made sense, which it doesn’t,

College football schedules are made up and planned out years in advance. It doesn’t work to wait until the end of the season to decide where your next 12 games will be.

You have every year rivalry games like PSU/Pitt, Notre Dame USC, and many more.

Conference payouts. You think Iowa would have $115,000,000 every year if it was playing nothing but bottom feeders in who knows what conference on who knows which tv network?

Ad revenue. You think networks are going to want to broadcast a league or “tier” that has the sole intent of containing nothing but shitty teams?

There’s soooooo much wrong with the idea of handicapping that you couldn’t fit it all here. This isn’t Europe. The markets are hundreds of times bigger, the money involved is astronomically higher, and the logistics of such a massive thing like college football are way to complex to even consider something like that.
 
In the system I proposed Georgia would have still made it after losing their conference championship game.

If Texas would have beat Oklahoma I would think 2 loss Oklahoma would have probably got in over UCF or Michigan.

It adds excitement to the conference championship games, however allows for a few at large teams to make it if there happens to be a few great teams in one conference, I.e Georgia.

So you still haven’t found a flaw in my proposal.


Your whole system is a non starter really. You do realize that if you say each conference gets an auto bid for their conference championship game winner that you have set up a 10 team playoff to determine 5 spots of a 8 team playoff. LOLOLOLOL. Since your very system already has a 10 team playoff to determine the field of 8, wouldn't it just make more *ucking sense to have a 16 team playoff to determine the field of 8?

Also it if funny that you mocked me saying a Northwestern or Pitt should be in a 16 team field, yet in your very system they could be one of 8 teams in the playoffs if they win their CCG. Which is fine by me, because you should earn it on the field, not through a selection committee.
 
Your whole system is a non starter really. You do realize that if you say each conference gets an auto bid for their conference championship game winner that you have set up a 10 team playoff to determine 5 spots of a 8 team playoff. LOLOLOLOL. Since your very system already has a 10 team playoff to determine the field of 8, wouldn't it just make more *ucking sense to have a 16 team playoff to determine the field of 8?

Also it if funny that you mocked me saying a Northwestern or Pitt should be in a 16 team field, yet in your very system they could be one of 8 teams in the playoffs if they win their CCG. Which is fine by me, because you should earn it on the field, not through a selection committee.
Read my post. The 5 P5 gets auto bid. Three at large spots. Try again.
 

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