tksirius
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Bigger joke than Iowa's OOC schedule this year? I don't think so.
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lightning1
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You obviously don't recall the Hawkeye Challenge.
Iowa
vs
Cream Puff St
Marshmallow U
vs
Twinkie Tech
He's also 2-7 in the B10 tournament with a bunch of first round exits. He got the program back to respectability from the absolute depths of the Lickliter years but not much more. Looking good in comparison to Lickliter is a pretty low bar.
I'd give him a few more years; he's got a great player coming in next year (Wieskamp). As far as this year goes I think it's pretty much a lost cause; they're definitely worse than I thought they'd be by a wide margin. I also don't know why people think getting his kid back is going to make a difference; in my opinion he's just another guy not an impact player.
Joshbrown
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Uhhhhhh, Kirk isn't held to a standard. He could go winless the next two years and the AD doesn't have the money to get rid of him. I hope you're not arguing we need to replicate that monumental error with Fran?
I will give you that he has some nice horses, he needs to do something with them. Sooner rather than later.
Joshbrown
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It is true the season ain't over. I hope your scenario plays out. What will your feelings be if the season is a pile of ugly?
Joshbrown
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At some point our fans have to start getting angry at the number of times we say, "Gosh I hope we can be like Wisconsin."
I remember when they wanted to be like us.
Joshbrown
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How many more years?
mrolympia
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I remember when Todd Lickliter team finished last in their own tournament
blubberhawk
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Oh my God. Iowa, talent wise was in horrible shape.
Actually took just a few years (not a couple) to get to the Orange Bowl.
In Fry's last year, we lost to a horrible Iowa State team by 18 points. (we were favored by 28 points that day.
Iowa went on to finish 3-9 that year and 9th in the Big 10. Some of the highlights?
Iowa lost to Minnesota by 42 points. (Minn was 2-6 in conference play)
Iowa lost to Purdue by 22, Wisc. by 31, OSU by 32 and Arizona by 26. You are right Josh, we must have been loaded with talent..
If Ferentz had a year like that now, you would be pissing your pants.
I get as mad as any about Ferentz, but there is no comparison between what he did at Iowa in his first 8 years and what Fran has done.
blubberhawk
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How old are you? Fry's last Iowa team WAS horrible. He coached in the Big 10 when there were two good programs. (OSU & Mich). He rarely beat either but to his credit, he rarely lost a game that he should have won.
Fry's Bowl record was also poor. Fry NEVER won a bowl game against a team that finished in the AP top Twenty. In fact, he lost almost every bowl game Iowa played against top tier teams. (most of them we got killed) Go ahead and give me Hayden Fry's best Bowl win. Wyoming, maybe?
When was the last time that happened?
HawkPrdatr40
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Lmao let’s just make shit up!! Geez! To bad you couldn’t be banned or put in timeout for message board incompetence.. This is one post where it’s just to bad real names are not associated with the poster.
HawkGold
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The 98 one is findabke. You reslly dont know what you are talking about. Are you Stalin?
HawkGold
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Washington.
HawkPrdatr40
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That’s a Beauty the 7-4-1 Washington Huskies.. And no Washington never finished in the Top 25 Poll that season..
HawkGold
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Not once have you ever heard me say KF is a bad coach. Get over yourself. 1997 info isn't available, but there were articles on it. I'm sorry truth doesn't fit your agenda. It's one thing to be a dick. It's another to be a wrong dick. From the Tribune
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-02-04/sports/9802040036_1_iowa-fry-southern-illinois
It was quite a year for high school football talent in the Chicago area.
Too bad not much of it plans to stick around.
UCLA came all the way to New Lenox for its quarterback of the future, Lincoln-Way's Cory Paus.
Michigan added Addison Trail's Dan Rumishek and Bolingbrook's Todd Howard to a recruiting class being acknowledged among the top three in the nation.
Penn State landed the No. 1 prospect in Illinois, Waubonsie Valley tight end R.J. Luke.
But Iowa came away with the biggest cache of all in All-Staters Siaka Massaquoi of Evanston and Eric Steinbach of Providence, second-team All-Staters Chris Oliver of Homewood-Flossmoor and Andy Lightfoot of Maine West plus special mention All-Stater D.J. Johnson of Naperville Central and late-blooming John Omotola of H-F.
Recruits will begin signing letters of intent to colleges Wednesday, the first day of the football signing period.
"We did better than we expected," said Iowa assistant coach and ex-Wheaton North and ex-Detroit Lion quarterback Chuck Long. "We knew Chicago would have an excellent recruiting class, and (coach) Hayden Fry made it a high priority."
Fry's down-home approach and the "Hayden hug" won over the Hawkeyes' prime objective, Massaquoi.
"I chose Iowa over Illinois, Michigan, Notre Dame and Northwestern because, well, coach Fry was the only coach who hugged me," said Massaquoi, who rushed for 2,035 yards and 29 touchdowns last fall. "Everyone at Iowa took more of a personal approach. On my visit, the Iowa players were great. It wasn't like I was some little chump coming into their world.
"The coaching staff said to do what's best for me and didn't keep harping on Iowa. It's not how I played, but who I was that seemed to matter. That whole place, you go there and just start smiling. I didn't want to come home after my visit."
The 6-foot-7-inch, 275-pound Lightfoot said a conversation with Massaquoi at a leadership conference helped persuade him to commit to Iowa.
"You could just see it in his face how happy he was to be going to Iowa," Lightfoot said.
"The Iowa coaches told me I was the first part of their recruiting plan and after that, it just snowballed," Massaquoi said. "I'll try to hook up Iowa with all the good players."
Steinbach talked to other top recruits before making his oral commitment in early November.
"It seemed like everyone had Iowa in their top five choices," said the 6-7, 235-pound Steinbach, who led the state with 26 sacks and was also recruited by Notre Dame, Michigan, Georgia Tech and Boston College. "I liked the way they didn't bug you and let you make the decision."
Steinbach's teammate, Providence All-State receiver David Popp, didn't receive a single Division I offer but may wind up as a walk-on at Iowa or Illinois, although Southern Illinois is showing some interest.
"Iowa owned the state of Illinois this year," said Chris Pool of the Great Lakes Recruiting Review in Joliet. "I thought this was a very good recruiting class, and Notre Dame didn't get anyone from Chicago. I guess the mystique just isn't there anymore.
"Ten years ago, if you had a chance to go to Notre Dame, there was no question. Now, I think Michigan has the edge."
While missing out on standouts such as Massaquoi, Steinbach and Luke, the Irish did recruit well nationally. The G & W Report out of Sanatoga, Pa., rates Notre Dame's incoming class third behind UCLA and Michigan. The Fighting Irish were also a finalist with Stanford for Sandburg's 6-5, 285-pound All-State tackle Jeff Roehl.
In Ron Turner's first full recruiting season, the Illinois coach is expected to sign Dunbar All-State running back Rausell Harvey, Schaumburg quarterback Kurt Kittner, Rich East QB Walter Young, running back Antoineo Harris of Bolingbrook and linemen Tony Pashos (6-7, 325) of Lockport, Dave Diehl (6-7, 285) of Brother Rice and Matt Carlton (6-6, 320) from the College of DuPage.
In all, Turner will hand out 23 scholarships in an effort to reverse last fall's 0-11 record.
"This is going to be a drastically different team, and we won't ever go 0-11 again," Turner said. "Our No. 1 concern was speed, and we'll sign four junior-college receivers, a juco cornerback and one other corner (Alonzo Wise of Rock Island). These aren't just guys who can fly--they're athletes who are playmakers.
"Our second biggest need was size and strength on both sides of the line, and we addressed that. In some ways, going 0-11 attracted top athletes who knew they'd become instant starters.
"Iowa got some top guys, but I feel good about our recruiting class. There are always players you'd like to get and don't (Massaquoi and Luke). But there's not much dropoff with the ones we got (Harris and Harvey), and tight end was a low priority."
There are indications Turner is so impressed with Kittner and Young that he might toss the incoming freshmen into the quarterback derby rather than redshirt them.
HawkPrdatr40
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Not once have you ever heard me say KF is a bad coach. Get over yourself. 1997 info isn't available, but there were articles on it. I'm sorry truth doesn't fit your agenda. It's one thing to be a dick. It's another to be a wrong dick. From the Tribune
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-02-04/sports/9802040036_1_iowa-fry-southern-illinois
It was quite a year for high school football talent in the Chicago area.
Too bad not much of it plans to stick around.
UCLA came all the way to New Lenox for its quarterback of the future, Lincoln-Way's Cory Paus.
Michigan added Addison Trail's Dan Rumishek and Bolingbrook's Todd Howard to a recruiting class being acknowledged among the top three in the nation.
Penn State landed the No. 1 prospect in Illinois, Waubonsie Valley tight end R.J. Luke.
But Iowa came away with the biggest cache of all in All-Staters Siaka Massaquoi of Evanston and Eric Steinbach of Providence, second-team All-Staters Chris Oliver of Homewood-Flossmoor and Andy Lightfoot of Maine West plus special mention All-Stater D.J. Johnson of Naperville Central and late-blooming John Omotola of H-F.
Recruits will begin signing letters of intent to colleges Wednesday, the first day of the football signing period.
"We did better than we expected," said Iowa assistant coach and ex-Wheaton North and ex-Detroit Lion quarterback Chuck Long. "We knew Chicago would have an excellent recruiting class, and (coach) Hayden Fry made it a high priority."
Fry's down-home approach and the "Hayden hug" won over the Hawkeyes' prime objective, Massaquoi.
"I chose Iowa over Illinois, Michigan, Notre Dame and Northwestern because, well, coach Fry was the only coach who hugged me," said Massaquoi, who rushed for 2,035 yards and 29 touchdowns last fall. "Everyone at Iowa took more of a personal approach. On my visit, the Iowa players were great. It wasn't like I was some little chump coming into their world.
"The coaching staff said to do what's best for me and didn't keep harping on Iowa. It's not how I played, but who I was that seemed to matter. That whole place, you go there and just start smiling. I didn't want to come home after my visit."
The 6-foot-7-inch, 275-pound Lightfoot said a conversation with Massaquoi at a leadership conference helped persuade him to commit to Iowa.
"You could just see it in his face how happy he was to be going to Iowa," Lightfoot said.
"The Iowa coaches told me I was the first part of their recruiting plan and after that, it just snowballed," Massaquoi said. "I'll try to hook up Iowa with all the good players."
Steinbach talked to other top recruits before making his oral commitment in early November.
"It seemed like everyone had Iowa in their top five choices," said the 6-7, 235-pound Steinbach, who led the state with 26 sacks and was also recruited by Notre Dame, Michigan, Georgia Tech and Boston College. "I liked the way they didn't bug you and let you make the decision."
Steinbach's teammate, Providence All-State receiver David Popp, didn't receive a single Division I offer but may wind up as a walk-on at Iowa or Illinois, although Southern Illinois is showing some interest.
"Iowa owned the state of Illinois this year," said Chris Pool of the Great Lakes Recruiting Review in Joliet. "I thought this was a very good recruiting class, and Notre Dame didn't get anyone from Chicago. I guess the mystique just isn't there anymore.
"Ten years ago, if you had a chance to go to Notre Dame, there was no question. Now, I think Michigan has the edge."
While missing out on standouts such as Massaquoi, Steinbach and Luke, the Irish did recruit well nationally. The G & W Report out of Sanatoga, Pa., rates Notre Dame's incoming class third behind UCLA and Michigan. The Fighting Irish were also a finalist with Stanford for Sandburg's 6-5, 285-pound All-State tackle Jeff Roehl.
In Ron Turner's first full recruiting season, the Illinois coach is expected to sign Dunbar All-State running back Rausell Harvey, Schaumburg quarterback Kurt Kittner, Rich East QB Walter Young, running back Antoineo Harris of Bolingbrook and linemen Tony Pashos (6-7, 325) of Lockport, Dave Diehl (6-7, 285) of Brother Rice and Matt Carlton (6-6, 320) from the College of DuPage.
In all, Turner will hand out 23 scholarships in an effort to reverse last fall's 0-11 record.
"This is going to be a drastically different team, and we won't ever go 0-11 again," Turner said. "Our No. 1 concern was speed, and we'll sign four junior-college receivers, a juco cornerback and one other corner (Alonzo Wise of Rock Island). These aren't just guys who can fly--they're athletes who are playmakers.
"Our second biggest need was size and strength on both sides of the line, and we addressed that. In some ways, going 0-11 attracted top athletes who knew they'd become instant starters.
"Iowa got some top guys, but I feel good about our recruiting class. There are always players you'd like to get and don't (Massaquoi and Luke). But there's not much dropoff with the ones we got (Harris and Harvey), and tight end was a low priority."
There are indications Turner is so impressed with Kittner and Young that he might toss the incoming freshmen into the quarterback derby rather than redshirt them.
Where the Recruiting rankings at for 97 and 98., Talking about a guy or 2 in an article don’t mean diddly!
HawkGold
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I wouldn't go around thumping my chest with KF's bowl game success since 09. His biggest successes were:
1. An accident when he totally screwed up end of game management.
2. A win with a QB he really didn't want to play.
3. An Orange Bowl appearance-loss with loss with a QB he didn't want to play.
Went to the 98 road game at Illinois and actually they looked pretty good that game. HF came over and was very warm with the Iowa crowd which was not small.
1. An accident when he totally screwed up end of game management.
2. A win with a QB he really didn't want to play.
3. An Orange Bowl appearance-loss with loss with a QB he didn't want to play.
Went to the 98 road game at Illinois and actually they looked pretty good that game. HF came over and was very warm with the Iowa crowd which was not small.
