Recruiting Theory v. Reality

[ArvadaHawk]

Yes, KF is 31-30 against those very good teams and only 50-50 against ISU. Playing down to the competition.

I agree with 'homes' that KF shouldnt be satisfied with his recruiting rankings but aiming higher and then they can win more.

vs ISU = 9-9, vs jNW = 8-8. And 5 consecutive non competitive ass-kickings in bowl games.

 

[HomerChampless]

What "actually"? That didn't answer the question. Wisconsin has passed us by because they don't lose those type of games I mentioned.

For what it's worth and a side note, Wisconsin's defense has continued to be a lot more stout than Iowa's defense....yet some offensive geniuses wanted, desperately, to unload Davis. Will they now take a look at the inefficiencies of Parker? I really doubt it. Hence the genius part sticks.

 

[HomerChampless]

A few of the variables, in no particular order, when it comes to "successful recruiting."

1. Distance from a recruit's home to the school recruiting him.
2. Parental influence (see #1).
3. Analysis by the coaching staff as to needs at various positions.
4. The recruit's ability to be enrolled from an academic standpoint.
5. The recruit's direction toward a particular major.
6. Personal connection to the school, i.e., relatives, friends, legacy.
7. Number of times a recruit can visit your campus...recall that only 1 official, expenses paid visit is allowed.
(see #1)
8. How much time and effort a coaching staff actually commits to a recruit.
9. Personality match between the major recruiter and the recruit.
10. Stability of the coaching staff (look at the number of de-commits when a coaching change occurs)
11. Familiarity over a historical time period in the recruit's life with the school recruiting him, i.e., how familiar is a typical California recruit with Iowa City and the University of Iowa?
12. The recruiting team's record, probably short term...these are kids.
13. The character checks done by the coaching staff on the recruit.
14. The maturity of the recruit when a difficult decision faces him. (see #2)
15. A bunch of other stuff, called additional intervening variables, that we cannot even guess about.

Point is? Assign numerical values to each of the above and whatever else you can think of and then you will see why I just cannot figure out a neat formula for success/failure in the recruiting world. Can you? I am just not a big believer in "our coaching staff is lousy at recruiting."

I can cite many reasons why KF isn't a good recruiter.
1. He fights with high skilled recruits.
2. His system doesn't display the talents of high skilled recruits.
3. A down the field offense isn't KF's bag of tea. His style of offense is more described as slow and methodical.
4. KF has expertise in the offensive line yet he has to have the last word in every facet of the team.
4b. Talent sits on the bench or transfers unless they do what KF wants them to do.
4c. Sub-coaches don't thrive in KF's system. They persevere.
5. KF's style of team play DOESN'T PREPARE A HIGHLY SKILLED PLAYER TO PLAY IN THE NFL. .

The emperor has no clothes but most who surround KF are too afraid to tell him to get dressed.

 

[DDThompson]

I can cite many reasons why KF isn't a good recruiter.
1. He fights with high skilled recruits.
You're speculating and puking what haters' narratives are -- Just chewing the cud.

2. His system doesn't display the talents of high skilled recruits.
3. A down the field offense isn't KF's bag of tea. His style of offense is more described as slow and methodical.
More cud. His style of offense is "pro-style/run oriented". It displays talents of high skilled players for the style/orientation.

4. KF has expertise in the offensive line yet he has to have the last word in every facet of the team.
Duh. He's the Head Coach, not Brady Hoke.

4b. Talent sits on the bench or transfers unless they do what KF wants them to do.
Duh. He's the Head Coach, not Brady Hoke. I'm sure you can come up with a long list of high skilled players that transferred to stardom. I'll get the tub-o-corn.

4c. Sub-coaches don't thrive in KF's system. They persevere.
Sub-coaches? Your posting is more lacking the KF time management.

Why would a sub-par coach thrive anywhere? /sarcasm
And if they hate their jobs so much why would they stay for years and persevere

5. KF's style of team play DOESN'T PREPARE A HIGHLY SKILLED PLAYER TO PLAY IN THE NFL. .
A player in the NFL is a HIGHLY SKILLED PLAYER AND THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF HAWKEYES PLAYING IN THE NFL.
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snowflake....

 

[IndianaHawk]

We can make excuses and defend KF all we want, but we were 12-0 not so long ago, and the fact that this class is a flaming turd, on par with Iowa State; saved only by a legacy recruit is completely unacceptable. I've tried to stay positive and hopeful we would land a few of these guys. It's looking like we are going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel now. What was once an exciting, promising class as almost become a sick joke.

Did Michigan have quality recruits better than the Hawks for that decade?

 

[HuckFinn]

I can cite many reasons why KF isn't a good recruiter.
1. He fights with high skilled recruits.
2. His system doesn't display the talents of high skilled recruits.
3. A down the field offense isn't KF's bag of tea. His style of offense is more described as slow and methodical.
4. KF has expertise in the offensive line yet he has to have the last word in every facet of the team.
4b. Talent sits on the bench or transfers unless they do what KF wants them to do.
4c. Sub-coaches don't thrive in KF's system. They persevere.
5. KF's style of team play DOESN'T PREPARE A HIGHLY SKILLED PLAYER TO PLAY IN THE NFL. .

The emperor has no clothes but most who surround KF are too afraid to tell him to get dressed.

I certainly respect your views and see merit in some of what you say. However, I will stick to facts, which is what I tried to do in my post, rather than speculation. So...

1. He runs the show. If a kid does not want to take coaching, he should move on. I doubt that he only fights with highly skilled recruits; and, he seems to get along with a lot of them. More stay than go.
2. Disagree/Agree: During Davis years, I would agree. But his "system" which is a pro set gives every opportunity for skill position athletes to show their mettle.
3. Pro set revolves around a down the field passing game after a team sells out to stop your run game.
4. You have no idea how much of the time KF over rules his assistants; my guess is not very often.
4. A lot of talent seems to find a way to play...we have won 20 games in the last couple of years; if a kid does not want to take coaching, he should sit or transfer. I am fine with that.
4. Pure speculation.
5. KF has the same style (pro set) as Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Penn State, Michigan State, Minnesota, on and on. The variations within the pro set are different for all of these teams, and I would like to see more of that from Iowa's base plays. I frankly think with Brian that will happen. We shall see.