BigD
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We don't want to get anyone killed out there on a basketball court bro.
Except for when we play against the thuggery of Michigan State.
We don't want to get anyone killed out there on a basketball court bro.
Except for when we play against the thuggery of Michigan State.
I’m pretty sure Joe Toussaint the guy who we literally just landed this weekend was known for his defensive mentality.
On the other hand that was all the hype when we landed Brandon Hutton out of Chicago and he never played a game for us and I don’t think at the D1 level either.
In all truthfulness defense is a team thing moreso than an individual player. Hopefully Toussaint is the guy you're looking for in your OP.
Shaq? Okay you win. I'll take Shaq. Woodbbury? Again you win. I'll take Woodbury. He had a North Carolina offer among others and was highly regarded.Look at FT shooting in general. There are many players that don't shoot well anymore. Shaq was a horrible FT shooter. More importantly, the point is that this type of player could disrupt enough to really help the net gain in scoring by holding down the opposing player or disrupting enough. Screw the 3-5 Pts he might not get at the FT line when he could hold the opposing player down 10pts from his average. That kind of player will only get tot he FT line maybe 2-3 times a game. If goes 3 times a game, still getting 2-3 pts out of 6.
I wouldn't pass on what that player could provide defensively for an entire game worrying about the measly 4 pt's he might not get at the FT line.
People really need to look at the "net gain" in scoring difference instead of just the offensive output of some players.
Woodbury is a prime example and we are now realizing what he brought as we have missed this the past two years. He was not an offensive juggarnot but created havoc down low on defense. How many points was he worth, even though they didn't end up in the scoring book under his name. Net gain.
Again...I will take Rodman. We all understand net gain. You are insisting on making an argument that is not realistic. List 5 current college players at a program we can realistically compete with for recruits that fit your criteria.I want a lot of shit in life, perfect shit. But, I realize that is really hard to get. Of course we'd take the perfect player with no holes, but as we see in all team sports, that is very hard to accomplish. I am talking one specialized lock down defender in the game, not 2-3 of them. One guy to disrupt their best player or PG and flow of offense. I can't believe you can't understand the "net gain" a specialized defender brings.
Iowa clearly the past two years HAS NOT had a problem scoring points. The problem has always been on the defensive end, so Fran's theory that they will just outscore their opponents was not working.
Say you bring in a player that doesn't even score a point in the game but holds down an opposing player who averages 23 pts a game to 12 pts, It would be like that defensive specialist accounted for 11 pt's, hence, my "net gain" argument.You add in there a clean up basket and a few FT's made and that is up to 15 pt gain.
Dennis Rodman was this type of player. Provided the teams he played with defense and rebounding. Reggie Evans you could say was this type of player. Both had long NBA careers.
Shaq? Okay you win. I'll take Shaq. Woodbbury? Again you win. I'll take Woodbury. He had a North Carolina offer among others and was highly regarded.
I understand the concept of a net gain. I'm talking net gain as a team. Playing 4 on 5 means the other 4 players also have decreased production. In the end there is not going to be a net gain in the vast majority of cases. A defender that makes that kind of difference...Shaq or Woodbury...is not under the radar and likely being heavily recruited.
Again...I will take Rodman. We all understand net gain. You are insisting on making an argument that is not realistic. List 5 current college players at a program we can realistically compete with for recruits that fit your criteria.
Also, you want a player that can stop the opponent's star point guard? This defender won't be able to stop a 6'8" guy that can post up and shoot the 3. You want a defender to stop the 6'8" guy? He won't be able to stop the star point guard. And then there are the star big men.
The elite player on every team is not playing the same position. To do what you suggest we need 2 or 3 elite defenders...that can't score per your criteria/definition...taking up 2 or 3 roster spots. This is all so unrealistic it's not worth discussing any further. But I promise to check back for that list of 5 current players I requested.