Recent Iowa Draft Trend

[RobHowe]

Certainly Iowa is recruiting and developing good players. I think it's been able to bring in guys that, for the most part, fit the culture whether they be two stars or four and five stars.

Daniels and Epenesa were players with offers from a who's who of top programs. I think Wirfs boasted a similar pedigree but was from Mount Vernon and committed early.

Iowa pursues 4 and 5 stars. It always has. But it's not what leads it. It's culture and fit mixed in with ability.

That's the right formula.

 

[okeefe4prez]

Isn't that the trend across the board with all power 5 schools?

Yes, but I think among schools that are not total bluebloods, Iowa is probably an outlier in terms of losing guys early. Obviously, Bama, LSU, Clemson, Auburn, etc. are getting shredded by early exits, but I don't think a lot of second cut teams are getting shredded like Iowa is.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

I wonder how many cyclowns have EVER been drafted?

Here ya go. Spoiler alert, 17 in KFz era, 21 during the Fry era. I think you'll find IOWA's list (you can select any school w the drop down) a bit more robust.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?abbr=I&collegeName=Iowa+State&abbrFlag=0&type=school

 

[thetrza]

I think the information we are working with is a little incomplete. Some of the earlier guys spent a redshirt year, which is a lot more uncommon these days. The numbers could be compared to the teams we play against or compare ourselves to and our rivals. Another thing about the early entries is that the staff tries to get the backups and younger guys ready earlier. Like they knew before the season started that they had to replace Wirfs and AJ, so they tried to get the guys behind them some reps at least in practice.

 

[revkev73]

2...in 5 years? North Dakota State blows that away.

Consider this. IOWA had twice as many players taken this weekend as ISMoo has in the last 5 years.

The team Iowa has to learn to own or to compete against is Wisconsin. If they can't be consistently beaten, Iowa is on a track of meaningless bowl games with records that make sure the coaches get new contracts. I wonder what the comparison looks like vs Wisconsin?

Iowa seems to have more talent, which is a good thing. The coaches need to figure out how to win vs Wisconsin, and avoid in game confusion which gives games away. This decade has been a debacle vs our #1 rival.

 

[JoeyLabasForPresident]

I just don't see us that far behind Wisky as far as recruiting talent. From my view aside from one blowout in recent memory the difference has been with game strategy. As far as getting elite, playoff level talent I don't see how an Iowa does that. There's the recruiting better, more game-ready talent, but the getting 4 and 5 star kids on a regular basis is always going to be a dogfight, even if you've got a legacy. Such is the struggle if your school doesn't recruit itself.

2021 has a few four stars already, with some threes that could possibly improve. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but there’s been an obvious uptick.

 

[JoeyLabasForPresident]

https://herosports.com/ncaa/iowa-state-cyclones-2020-nfl-draft-results-tracker

1/3 a player over the last six years isn’t too bad, right?

 

[JoeyLabasForPresident]

2...in 5 years? North Dakota State blows that away.

Consider this. IOWA had twice as many players taken this weekend as ISMoo has in the last 5 years.

That team also has more wins against Iowa over the last five years.

 

[revkev73]

Since 1999, the KF era of developing NFL talent, 78 Hawkeyes have been drafted.

Since 1999, the KF era of developing NFL talent, 88 Badgers have been drafted.

In the KF years Wisconsin holds the edge in victories 12-7. 7-1 in the last 8.

Iowa is 3-9 in the last 12 games.

In how many of those games has Iowa been drastically out-coached? How many have been pissed down the leg?

Yet Kirk insists the programs are equal. Maybe the programs are equal, but not the in-game coaching.

If you are losing, consistently, to your #1 rival, that is a problem, whether it is admitted or not.

It needs to be figured out coach, now. Nothing else matters.

Iowa has been to Clorox Bowls, Badgers have been to conference title games and Rose Bowls.

 

[JoeyLabasForPresident]

Since 1999, the KF era of developing NFL talent, 78 Hawkeyes have been drafted.

Since 1999, the KF era of developing NFL talent, 88 Badgers have been drafted.

In the KF years Wisconsin holds the edge in victories 12-7. 7-1 in the last 8.

Iowa is 3-9 in the last 12 games.

In how many of those games has Iowa been drastically out-coached? How many have been pissed down the leg?

Yet Kirk insists the programs are equal. Maybe the programs are equal, but not the in-game coaching.

If you are losing, consistently, to your #1 rival, that is a problem, whether it is admitted or not.

It needs to be figured out coach, now. Nothing else matters.

Iowa has been to Clorox Bowls, Badgers have been to conference title games and Rose Bowls.

Interesting to see similar number drafted, any info handy on numbers by round? I totally agree gameday coaching hasn't been great against the Badgers. Even the one the Hawks did steal took a lot of luck.

 

[revkev73]

Interesting to see similar number drafted, any info handy on numbers by round? I totally agree gameday coaching hasn't been great against the Badgers. Even the one the Hawks did steal took a lot of luck.

First round picks in Kirk era:

Iowa 10

Badgers 16

 

[revkev73]

Wisconsin 3 first round RBs

Iowa 0 first round RBs

 

[okeefe4prez]

In how many of those games has Iowa been drastically out-coached? How many have been pissed down the leg?

Yet Kirk insists the programs are equal. Maybe the programs are equal, but not the in-game coaching.

Other than Ferentz totally biffing on the fake punt in 2010, I don't think the coaching has been that bad. Iowa has had some issues with the middle of the o-line of late and the refs let Wisconsin's o-line do whatever the hell they want without throwing flags. We're typically pretty competitive in the games, it's just that Wisconsin is a way bigger state than Iowa and they have a monopoly on in-state talent and the success going back to even Ron Dayne has made it way easier for Wisconsin to recruit really good RBs.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

The rate of underclassmen leaving early has picked up. I think CTE plays into that. I don’t know how Iowa compares to other Power 5s. I’ll let you research that.

I do too to a large extent. Combining that with how the NFL contracts are structured for draftees now too. Nobody is making mucho bucks anymore since Sam Bradford day 1. (relatively speaking) So with the average NFL career being around 4 or 5 yrs and it taking till yr 4 or 5 (depending on if your a 1st rd pick or not) to get to your 2nd contract the sooner you leave school to start that clock the better your odds of getting it. And that's a universal thing that affects the #1 pick down to 255 and UFAs. I'm sure that's what every Agent out there trying to sign kids sell...

 

[ssckelley]

Wisconsin 3 first round RBs

Iowa 0 first round RBs

State Population:
Wisconsin - 5.822 million
Iowa - 3.155

Number of BCS football programs:
Iowa - 2
Wisconsin - 1

Number of 2020 recruits to BCS football programs:
Wisconsin - 26
Iowa - 14

Number of instate commits (2020):
Wisconsin - 11
Iowa - 4

Let's not forget that it took former Iowa coaches to put Wisconsin football on the map. There are no excuses as to why Wisconsin isn't a contender every single year.

 

[revkev73]

Other than Ferentz totally biffing on the fake punt in 2010, I don't think the coaching has been that bad. Iowa has had some issues with the middle of the o-line of late and the refs let Wisconsin's o-line do whatever the hell they want without throwing flags. We're typically pretty competitive in the games, it's just that Wisconsin is a way bigger state than Iowa and they have a monopoly on in-state talent and the success going back to even Ron Dayne has made it way easier for Wisconsin to recruit really good RBs.

Iowa's coaching needs to be BETTER than Wisconsin's coaches. That would cure most of the ills.

Iowa's coaches have too often appeared befuddled and out-gamed. Predictable.

 

[revkev73]

State Population:
Wisconsin - 5.822 million
Iowa - 3.155

Number of BCS football programs:
Iowa - 2
Wisconsin - 1

Number of 2020 recruits to BCS football programs:
Wisconsin - 26
Iowa - 14

Number of instate commits (2020):
Wisconsin - 11
Iowa - 4

Let's not forget that it took former Iowa coaches to put Wisconsin football on the map. There are no excuses as to why Wisconsin isn't a contender every single year.

Number of times Badger coaches have laughed at Iowa's in game decisions. 100

Number of times Kirk has out-coached Wisconsin?

Kirk has been snake-bit and his answer is to say, "The programs are equal."

 

[homes]

Every Iowa fan is tired of losing to Wisconsin. And you need to beat a team to be considered its equal. I agree with that. But, it will turn around. The last two years were painful. The ball bouncing off Beyer's foot, and missing on the two point conversion were brutal. A couple of plays and we might be feeling differently. Things will change. They have to. They just have to.

 

[ohhawk]

Big difference in rushing yards in these more recent years. This has led to these same games giving WI at least 15 minutes more possession time per game. We had enough trouble putting points on the board let alone giving us 15 less minutes to do so.

They've had the road graders and very good backs. We're still searching for remedies for our run game.

 

[MoseSchrute]

Number of times Badger coaches have laughed at Iowa's in game decisions. 100

Number of times Kirk has out-coached Wisconsin?

Kirk has been snake-bit and his answer is to say, "The programs are equal."

He usually did out-coach them prior to the damn 2010 game. The games were always tough, and KF generally made good second half adjustments to pull through.