Re-Watched the Purdue Game

[iloveyoularrystation]

No it was crap play calling...never throwing to or past the sticks on 3rd down is just beyond STUPID and the constant throwing behind the LOS on 3rd and short is just beyond stupid...

i mean in fairness most play designs allow for checkdowns and deeper routes. Its one thing to make this argument and blame the OC if every one of the passing tree options goes short of the line like during the GD era, its another if the checkdown was used by the QB. He's got multiple reads there. At times during the game, especially significant were a couple to sargent that were open, Stanley took the safer throw that netted nothing or just above nothing where had he taken another option it would have gone for a bigger gain. On the tv telecast the guy references how he could have hit sargent coming acrossed the middle at least two times he chose to take a different route option.

Would really have to get inside the passing tree options of the third down plays to know if its the oc being stupid or the Quarterback making choices.

 

[Hawk4Fan]

i mean in fairness most play designs allow for checkdowns and deeper routes. Its one thing to make this argument and blame the OC if every one of the passing tree options goes short of the line like during the GD era, its another if the checkdown was used by the QB. He's got multiple reads there. At times during the game, especially significant were a couple to sargent that were open, Stanley took the safer throw that netted nothing or just above nothing where had he taken another option it would have gone for a bigger gain. On the tv telecast the guy references how he could have hit sargent coming acrossed the middle at least two times he chose to take a different route option.

Would really have to get inside the passing tree options of the third down plays to know if its the oc being stupid or the Quarterback making choices.

Except that these throws were the #1 option and the play went right to those WR behind the LOS immediately

 

[iloveyoularrystation]

Except that these throws were the #1 option and the play went right to those WR behind the LOS immediately

ah you must be referring to the ones to ragaini?!?! In which case, that would be poor playcalling and i submit my humble tip of the cap to you. Cause those were pretty bad.

 

[westender]

Just curious, does anyone have any idea when a fly pattern was thrown to one of our fast receivers?

The one to # 6 that he one handed.

 

[westender]

For me, the pass to ISM was an out route. Only three beers! I did cuss some at the play calling though! I would like to see ISM fly down the center of the field once or twice a game to take the top off the defense.

out route? he was running flat out down the sideline.

 

[Jonrn]

The other item was the false start call on 4th and 2. Had the refs made the correct call of offsides who knows how we view that game. Iowa would of had 1st and 10 inside of Purdue’s territory. They drive down and score points there the game is all but over.

100%..that procedure call was beyond absurd. Basically I consider Purdue’s last TD a statistical anomaly. Actual score was 26-13

 

[chucktownhawk]

Brandon Smith caught at least one long one on a go route and so did ISM in the video below. Just curious how many beers did you have Saturday?

why can't Stanley do that more. That was perfect. Had air under it, and besides the obvious, HE HAD TIME TO THROW

 

[ModebaSan]

Schematically, BF is actually doing well in his play calling. But he can’t play the game for them. How many times have you seen Stanley throw behind or overthrow a receiver. One thing I would like to see is to start using the zone blocking scheme a lot less. When we get to block hat on hat we do much better. When we line up in the power I, teams know what’s coming and stack the box. It might be well and good when you are trying to get a first down or score on short yardage situations, but not so good between the 20 yard lines. When your see you have a defense all worn out and you want to pound them, that’s fine, but not if you are trying to move the ball down the field. I would like to see the Iowa offense to start to implement some Air Raid schemes in their passing game. We need to be explosive on offense instead of always trying to play inside a phone booth. I’m kinda of tired of one possession ball games. Hayden didn’t mind putting 60+ points up on teams on a weekly basis. The defense can’t always be the ones bailing out our offense. We as a fan base want some measure of excitement. We haven’t even tried a trick play this year. Can’t they see how amped up the fans got when we gave them a fake field goal formation, then just tease us by going back to FG formation. Can’t they see how hungry we are for something different. We need Kirk 3.0, 4.0, and more.

 

[4thngoal]

Yeah, I think we can abandon the bubble screen on 3 and short.
Fact is everyone knows we are not running the ball as well as we would like to. So..,...,..
If they know we are 3rd and 5 and we are only getting 3 or so running, our go to play is the bubble screen. Furthermore it's almost always to the left.
I'm to lazy to watch all the games and count how many times it's been done, but if I was passing a DC in the hallway, I would mention it, so I know it's been done more than a few times.
The success rate might not be horrible, but I have seen it barely get enough. So whatever that success rate, it's fairly lucky.

 

[Caddy]

I talked about this after the Michigan game. Yes there will be times when the running game struggles and it will be tough sledding, but you simply have to stick with it. Keep pounding to wear the defense down and hopefully pop some big gainers later in the game. Then the play action passing can work off of it.

Again, Iowa is simply not an efficient enough passing offense to drop back and throw it 40 times a game.

Exactly right, and part of the reason the running game sucks is because the 2 backs getting all the carries are not B1G caliber backs. Goodson is, and he should be getting a majority of the carries. Our line sucks, yes, but Goodson can make things happen that the other 2 backs simply cannot.

 

[Thawki]

Re-watched the first three quarters last night. Just some thoughts...

Most of our run game attempts where we zone blocked were negative yardage.
Most of our run game attempts with gap, hat on hat were positive yardage.
The 2nd down plays were most often our biggest problem.
After early success with quick passes to the outside, Purdue adjusted and we apparently did not notice.
I have never seen so many pass plays where Iowa defenders were so close to a sack end up with completions. We pressured well but Purdue’s passing game was really impressive.
I think Stanley played very well overall; pass pro was better.
We have a bunch of really good receivers. And, Nate spreads the ball around very well.
When Nate throws a little behind his receivers when they come across the middle, he is protecting them from big hits...they need to make more athletic receptions. Watch the NFL.

Some nice changes on special teams. KO returns by P. were zero, except one where a blatant hold was ignored by an official who was right on the play. Punt returns by Iowa were not flashy, but solid. Sleep-Dalton apparently was told no more rugby kicks. Had his best game.

Too many field goals, but Duncan kicked ass.
We really need more imaginative plays when crucial downs, especially in the red zone, occur.

We won, got some confidence back after two really tough weeks. We have the easier part of our schedule ahead of us. I think we beat NW, give W a good run, beat MN at home in a knock down drag out, beat IL, and whip a poor NE team to end up 9-3, with a decent bowl and a chance for a 10 win season.

I agree with almost everything you said. You seem to be very knowledgeable re football Xs and Os. That is why the following observation is so perplexing to me:

"When Nate throws a little behind his receivers when they come across the middle, he is protecting them from big hits...they need to make more athletic receptions. Watch the NFL."

There is NO WAY that he is throwing balls behind guys across the middle on purpose to protect them. He isn't that good, first off. And secondly, if you throw balls behind guys, the risk of interceptions in the exact manner of the interception on the Goodson throw over the middle is so great that you would never do it.

So I guess you seem to know a lot, but man, you really missed it on that one. Sorry, that is SUCH a reach I just have nothing left to say.

 

[Northside Hawk]

Schematically, BF is actually doing well in his play calling. But he can’t play the game for them. How many times have you seen Stanley throw behind or overthrow a receiver. One thing I would like to see is to start using the zone blocking scheme a lot less. When we get to block hat on hat we do much better. When we line up in the power I, teams know what’s coming and stack the box. It might be well and good when you are trying to get a first down or score on short yardage situations, but not so good between the 20 yard lines. When your see you have a defense all worn out and you want to pound them, that’s fine, but not if you are trying to move the ball down the field. I would like to see the Iowa offense to start to implement some Air Raid schemes in their passing game. We need to be explosive on offense instead of always trying to play inside a phone booth. I’m kinda of tired of one possession ball games. Hayden didn’t mind putting 60+ points up on teams on a weekly basis. The defense can’t always be the ones bailing out our offense. We as a fan base want some measure of excitement. We haven’t even tried a trick play this year. Can’t they see how amped up the fans got when we gave them a fake field goal formation, then just tease us by going back to FG formation. Can’t they see how hungry we are for something different. We need Kirk 3.0, 4.0, and more.

Hayden did not put up 60+ on a weekly basis, but has created the illusion that he did.

Meanwhile, in B1G competition, we put up 45, 55 and 56 points in 2017, 42, 48 and 63 points in 2018.

Those totals, with one exception, weren't against world beaters. But they weren't against non conference cupcakes, or a decade worth of Northwestern teams that resembled this year's Rutgers juggernaut either.

It's time for Brian to get this offense on track for similar numbers.

 

[AreWeThereYet]

Exactly right, and part of the reason the running game sucks is because the 2 backs getting all the carries are not B1G caliber backs. Goodson is, and he should be getting a majority of the carries. Our line sucks, yes, but Goodson can make things happen that the other 2 backs simply cannot.

Goodson had 6 yards on 5 carries with a longest of 3. I would say Iowa's running schemes aren't working any better for Goodson than any other running back.

The bigger problem by far is, Iowa's zone blocking schemes are a stale as that pretzel archaeologists dug up from the late medieval period. You could use film from the 2009 Arkansas State game to show how a mediocre defense can shut down Iowa's running game and it would still be valid for much of what Iowa is doing on offense.

Putting the whole thing on Goodson's back isn't the answer.

 

[The Big LeHAWKski]

It was simply a missed call. Look at the reaction of the Purdue player. He knew it was an offsides penalty. Phantom call.

That blown off-sides call is now the infamous "Jim Bain call" except for FB.
Good Lord that was a long frickin' time ago!
( I can still see the look on Kevin Boyle's face!)

 

[HuckFinn]

I agree with almost everything you said. You seem to be very knowledgeable re football Xs and Os. That is why the following observation is so perplexing to me:

"When Nate throws a little behind his receivers when they come across the middle, he is protecting them from big hits...they need to make more athletic receptions. Watch the NFL."

There is NO WAY that he is throwing balls behind guys across the middle on purpose to protect them. He isn't that good, first off. And secondly, if you throw balls behind guys, the risk of interceptions in the exact manner of the interception on the Goodson throw over the middle is so great that you would never do it.

So I guess you seem to know a lot, but man, you really missed it on that one. Sorry, that is SUCH a reach I just have nothing left to say.

Respectfully, we will have to agree to disagree. Think about it this way. The defender is coming toward the receiver, who is looking for the ball. If the ball is out in front of the receiver, the QB is leading him directly into the defender, often creating a big hit. You will often see the ball thrown low or slightly behind the receiver so he can get down or take the hit sideways. It is no secret that QB’s are taught not to set up receivers to be unprotected.

 

[4thngoal]

Goodson had 6 yards on 5 carries with a longest of 3. I would say Iowa's running schemes aren't working any better for Goodson than any other running back.

The bigger problem by far is, Iowa's zone blocking schemes are a stale as that pretzel archaeologists dug up from the late medieval period. You could use film from the 2009 Arkansas State game to show how a mediocre defense can shut down Iowa's running game and it would still be valid for much of what Iowa is doing on offense.

Putting the whole thing on Goodson's back isn't the answer.

Zone blocking works fine when everyone understands it (including the back) and is in sync.
I don't recall what game it was but it was mixed into an NFL game I watched recently and the rb made a cut and just like that 15-20 yards.
Think of it like line dancing. When it's done well you don't even have to like country music to appreciate it. When it's not done right, they look like a bunch of retards out there.

 

[homes]

I think it would be a win if the guards could just block the guy in front of them, instead of trying to reach to get to someone else. The team can't scrap and start over 7 games into the season, but some adjustments on the line of scrimmage to simplify what is asked of these guards seems reasonable.

 

[ModebaSan]

Hayden did not put up 60+ on a weekly basis, but has created the illusion that he did.

Meanwhile, in B1G competition, we put up 45, 55 and 56 points in 2017, 42, 48 and 63 points in 2018.

Those totals, with one exception, weren't against world beaters. But they weren't against non conference cupcakes, or a decade worth of Northwestern teams that resembled this year's Rutgers juggernaut either.

It's time for Brian to get this offense on track for similar numbers.

I know Hayden didn’t put up those kind of pts. every week. I was just expressing the fact that Hayden would go for the jugular. His offenses and defenses attacked. He didn’t play to just get them into the fourth quarter with a chance to win the game. Just fundamentally different from Kirk. I also imagine Kirk keeps Brian from doing some of the stuff he would really like to do. But that’s just who Kirk is.

 

[Northside Hawk]

I know Hayden didn’t put up those kind of pts. every week. I was just expressing the fact that Hayden would go for the jugular. His offenses and defenses attacked. He didn’t play to just get them into the fourth quarter with a chance to win the game. Just fundamentally different from Kirk. I also imagine Kirk keeps Brian from doing some of the stuff he would really like to do. But that’s just who Kirk is.

When Hayden had the horses he would go for the jugular.

What Hayden was good at was adjusting his philosophy to the talent he had on his team. In our famous comeback 1981 season, he played close to the vest and relied on the defense and kicking game to carry the day. Hell, we threw seven (7) touchdown passes that season.

We were a high flying offense in 1985 with a strong passing attack, which carried the day when we needed fourth quarter points, which we frequently did.

Our third Rose bowl team in 1990 had decent but not outstanding wide receivers but we bludgeoned teams with the one two punch of Nick Bell and Tony Stewart in the backfield. Lew Montgomery was no slouch either.

Hayden even went through a stretch in the early nineties where he relied heavily on junior college players, like Mike White used to at Illinois. He ended up recruiting something like a dozen of them in two years.

You would never hear Hayden say "We are who we are, we do what we do"

His arguably most famous quote was of course "scratch where it itches."

 

[Northside Hawk]

That blown off-sides call is now the infamous "Jim Bain call" except for FB.
Good Lord that was a long frickin' time ago!
( I can still see the look on Kevin Boyle's face!)

How about Lute's post game presser.

Already frustrated with several late season close losses which cost him the B1G title, he now has a game stolen from him by an official who was in a hurry to get to the airport.

Among other things, he shouted that Bain belonged in jail.

I'm guessing that lightened his wallet, and may have helped grease his skid out of town.

The following year was Ed Hightower and Ted Valentine's first year in the league, Lute's last.

We didn't get many calls that season.