Rate the better year at QB: Stanzi as a Senior / JVB as a Junior?

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WinOneThisCentury

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With the moronic rating of Phil Steele on the top four QB's returning in the B10...the criticisms of JVB have resurfaced. I would say, for a number of reasons, JVB's junior year was better than Stanzi's senior season.

1) Stanzi played with a much more experienced team.
2) The 2010 defense was light years ahead of the 2011 version.
3) The 2010 offensive line was better.
4) More depth at receiver in 2010...

How is it people criticize a less experienced QB to this extent, when Stanzi, a three year starter, was terrible at NW, Minn, second half of OSU, second half of Missouri. Not one game winning drive...and in many of the losses...he just needed a few first downs to seal a victory.

JVB had a very good season on an team that wasn't nearly as experienced as the 2010 team.
 
He won games with a better D. As a SR when he had his best statistical season the team didn't really set the world on fire.
 
He won games with a better D. As a SR when he had his best statistical season the team didn't really set the world on fire.
 
"Or you got, or you ain't" Ricky Stanzi had it and JVB doesn't. Stanzi improved against better teams. JVB gets worse.

NFL Draft Picks 2011 - Ricky Stanzi the Best QB in the 2011 NFL Draft? - Fantasy Football 2011

"Stanzi had 3 major tests in conference in 2010, a Big-10 Conference in which Stanzi has started for 3 seasons...and these teams have a book on him. Facing Wisconsin (11-2), Michigan State (11-2) and Ohio State (12-1), Stanzi put up the following stats:
  • 7 Passing TDs and NO Interceptions
  • The elite QBs of the NFL threw for between 15-19 Pass Attempts per Passing TD in "key" games, and some QBs hit as low (good) as 10-12 Pass Attempts per Passing TD. Stanzi averaged a very low (good) 11.9 Passing TDs per Pass Attempts in these 3 big matchups
  • Besides a stellar/perfect NO interceptions in these big 3 games, Stanzi hit on a 67.4% Completion Percentage as well
Iowa/Stanzi played the Arizona Wildcats this season, coached by defensive guru Mike Stoops. Stoops/Arizona only allowed two QBs to throw for 3+ TDs in a game against them this season -- not Andrew Luck (he had 2), but it was Oregon's Darron Thomas and yes...Ricky Stanzi.

Better than Gabbert in the 2010 Bowl Game vs. Missouri?
This may be crazy talk too, but hang with me...
Stanzi statistically bombed in one game in 2010 -- the Insight Bowl Game matchup against Missouri. Stanzi had no TDs and 2 INTs. Stanzi's only 2 INT game of the season. In that game Blaine Gabbert had 434 yards passing and won the hearts of everyone who just watched the game from a stat tally perspective. But was Gabbert really the better QB that day?
434 yards for Gabbert is awesome, but it was on 57 Pass Attempts. Stanzi only had 21 pass attempts in this game, in part because Iowa RB Marcus Coker had 33 carries for 219 yards. Why pass if you can run all over Mizzu, and win (which Iowa did)? Looking at the passing productivity by breaking it down to the view from the per passing attempts...a quick look at Gabbert vs. Stanzi in the Bowl Game from a different perspective:
  • Yards per Pass Attempt = 7.6 for Gabbert, 9.5 for Stanzi
  • Yards per Completion = 10.6 for Gabbert, 18.2 for Stanzi
If both QBs equally had 35 pass attempts at their above pace, Gabbert would have thrown for 266 yards to Stanzi's 332.
Not to say Stanzi had a great game...because it was his worst game of 2010. It's to point out that looking only at the totals -- Stanzi vs. Gabbert total stats in this game would have made Stanzi forgettable and Gabbert brilliant, but it really had to do more with Pass Attempt totals. Stanzi wasn't as bad as it seemed, and Gabbert wasn't near as impressive as his 434 yards would show. Gabbert also threw 2 INTs as well in this game (like Stanzi), and 1 TD."
 
Honestly and it really is just this simple……Stanzi had a lot of panache, he was out going and people gravitated to him. They also foolishly still blame that let down season purely on coaching and he was still the leader of a couple very good teams. Vandy is a little more morose and lead the team to even less wins so although it is still coaching (to them) they leave a little room for the starting quarterback to share the blame as well.

There isn’t a ton of logic to go on here and it really becomes a beauty pageant at this stage….we have multiple threads speculating on how Davis is going to supposedly use the Rbers even though admittedly he did not do so at Texas. Apparently though Davis just “seems” like a guy who will mold to his talent even though we never did…….:rolleyes:. Even though we too used a lot of Rbers pure the stats and Ill be damned if they werent disgined they sure seemed affective....
 
I believe it's how much control KF gives the QB. If KF gives JVB the keys to the castle this year and doesn't hold him back JVB will easily be the better QB and we will win 9-10 games. But if KF plays not to lose instead of playing to win it's going to be ugly.
 
All its going to take for the JVB haters to completely change their tune is for the upcoming D to get it together and for a running game to emerge this season and this won't even be a question.
 
Stanzi just seems like more of a leader and seemed to handle pressure situations better than JVB. At times last year on the road JVB would just completely panick when it wasn't necessary.
 
David79 said:
Stanzi just seems like more of a leader and seemed to handle pressure situations better than JVB. At times last year on the road JVB would just completely panick when it wasn't necessary.
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Agree 100%. Remember Stanzi as a first year starter.
 
Stanzi. JV seems like a nice enough guy and he's got physical tools, but he's also what Bill Walsh would have termed a "coach killer"--puts up a great stat line, but doesn't make the critical plays to win games and takes you just far enough to lose. Then all the fans say, "How come Coach X couldn't win with a guy who looks so great in a box score?"

Last year's Iowa team was one of the very worst in the KF era--not all JV's fault by any stretch. But if his physical gifts were matched by his instincts and intangibles, there's little question that Iowa would have finished with a better record than 7-6--at the very least, Minnesota and Iowa State would have been toast.
 
Interesting comments….I’m a huge Stanzi fan but I seem to remember lots of criticism for him in those losses in 2010….couldn’t pick up the blitz, couldn’t get rid of the ball, couldn’t find the open man…..It is quite a testament of the resourcefulness of the human brain that we forget so easily and trick ourselves so often.

The good news is, if he gets free reign from a head coach that clearly doesn’t know anything about football we should be able to win 10 games easily…..:D
 
cmhawks99 said:
Honestly and it really is just this simple……Stanzi had a lot of panache, he was out going and people gravitated to him. They also foolishly still blame that let down season purely on coaching and he was still the leader of a couple very good teams. Vandy is a little more morose and lead the team to even less wins so although it is still coaching (to them) they leave a little room for the starting quarterback to share the blame as well.

There isn’t a ton of logic to go on here and it really becomes a beauty pageant at this stage….we have multiple threads speculating on how Davis is going to supposedly use the Rbers even though admittedly he did not do so at Texas. Apparently though Davis just “seemsâ€￾ like a guy who will mold to his talent even though we never did…….:rolleyes:. Even though we too used a lot of Rbers pure the stats and Ill be damned if they werent disgined they sure seemed affective....
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I actually think a lot of the reason Hawk fans love Stanzi so much is he was "the guy" to replace JC.
 
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