RocknRollface
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Yeah I think thats at least why he didn't play to start out and since he hasn't played much hes still going to be behind the other two freshman.
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Yeah I think thats at least why he didn't play to start out and since he hasn't played much hes still going to be behind the other two freshman.
herkyattack
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Agree with most everything you said except for the last statement. Putting Ogelsby on the same side as Woodbury is a pointless idea. The double teams are coming from the other post, not from the ballside guard. The best way to get Oglesby an open shot when teams double is to put him on the opposite side of the floor and swing it back around the perimeter.
tednugentfan
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Excellent posts by all. There are open shots to be had, especially when teams double Woodbury (which won't happen too often in the conference IMO) and when guys penetrate (which isn't happening enough). We have shot the ball poorly all season, which cannot continue if we are going to get beat to loose balls and outrebounded. This is still a work in progress, but it is disappointing that we gave Olaseni a year to develop and he didn't and our team built around shooting and up tempo struggles to do both effectively. We have a smaller margin of error than every team in the big ten because we don't have as many scoring options. May, McCabe, Oglesby, Basabe and Olaseni cannot be counted on to score.
SheagleHawk
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Herby drivel in 3.....2.....
gordonearl
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A lot of great advice. I am sure Fran would love to hear it.
Makavelihawk
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May should literally not touch the floor unless it's to go in and foul or in mop-up duty. Great kid, but the only player who has been worse than him is Olaseni. I would be fine with Ingram taking a good portion of those min. that are currently going to May.
Section136
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By conference I am going to bet that Fran goes with a 9 man rotation. Gesell, Clemmons, Marble, Oglesby, White, McCabe, Basabe, Woodbury and Ingram will get all the meaningful minutes. Gabe is not going to contribute this year and May could see the floor a bit but he will not be getting near the minutes he is now.
storminspank
Justin VanLaere
I don't get the Basabe over McCabe argument.
Take last night, for example (I'm assuming a lot of the talk is based on that game)
Mel played 2 more minutes than Zach.
Zach's line: 4 pts, 4 reb (2 O), 3 assists, 0 blocks, 3 fouls, 0 TO
Mel's line: 6 pts, 1 reb (0 O), 0 assists, 2 blocks, 2 fouls, 1 TO
McCabe is a spark as a starter, Basabe is a spark off the bench.
McCabe takes charges on D, Basabe blocks shots on D.
Take last night, for example (I'm assuming a lot of the talk is based on that game)
Mel played 2 more minutes than Zach.
Zach's line: 4 pts, 4 reb (2 O), 3 assists, 0 blocks, 3 fouls, 0 TO
Mel's line: 6 pts, 1 reb (0 O), 0 assists, 2 blocks, 2 fouls, 1 TO
McCabe is a spark as a starter, Basabe is a spark off the bench.
McCabe takes charges on D, Basabe blocks shots on D.
STILLBUSTER
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Agree with the line ups. Seems like he's a bit aggressive and "creative" at times, focusing on line-up experimentation rather than letting the players play.
Also agree with the inexperienced talent notion. On paper, this was as close a game as you can get, with the only glaring discrepency being the fouls / free-throws.
The guys are matching up and competing well with "peer" teams (i.e. - NIT level / 6th-8th place teams from other major conferences) but, as expected, are still searching for consistency and putting complete games together. Hopefully this comes with continuing to play hard and settling down the rotation.
They are still at least a year away from the dance.
STILLBUSTER
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I tend to agree with you, Spank. McCabe is more likely a spark as a starter than Mel.
Maybe in the minority but I like McCabe's lunch-pail efforts on defense and the boards. However, if McCabe's spark doesn't start the fire, he can quickly become a huge liability -- the charges are called as blocks and it affects his offense.
While you need both guys, you can tell pretty quickly what kind of fire their respective spark is going to start and need to either ride them or give them the hook.
I could see starting McCabe at home -- taking charges and harrassing players on the boards tend to fire up a home crowd and get a little bit of a pass from the home-court refs. I could see Basabe starting on the road, where his shot-blocking can help get some early stops and contribute toward getting the transition offense running for the Hawks.
sportstalent
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Spank, I typically don't disagree with you, but hear me out on this.
Okay, McCabes FG% is what? Heading into last night it was 31%, he plays PF, on the flip side he was shooting 44% from 3-pt range. What does this tell me? PF shooting 31%...again a PF, so he can shoot outside, but not make a layup, or dare I say gets blocked a lot? Answer me this: Who is on the floor when Iowa goes in major shooting slumps, who is off the floor? When Zach leaves the floor, Iowa becomes more fluid on offense...when May is off the floor the ball movement isn't stagnant.
Here is the difference between McCabe and Basabe...the blocked shots, Basabe leads Iowa in that category. I am still not saying start him either, I love what he provides off the bench. If Iowa can't defend on the perimeter, they need guys on the floor that can block shots and when I say Iowa go smaller, it is only at one position, the 2-spot. Marble can rebound and help on D at the 3 and White rotates and challenges shots. McCabe doesn't get enough charges to offset the amount of times he allows players to drive around him with his hands up...it is a product of not being able to move your feet and react to an offensive player. People will really dislike this thought as well, I would like to see Olaseni and Woodbury play together too when they struggle rebounding. Iowa has guys that can play, Fran is going to find a lineup, I think in the end there may be some upperclassmen disappointed as the youngsters just need to play. Clemmons is better than I anticipated and the little I have seen from Ingram, he may be seeing the floor more. Gesell and Woodbury have been pretty much what I expected and even with Mike struggling a little bit the last couple of games, he is still a better than average PG. I like Gesell/Clemmons on the floor together, they compliment each other and both are comfortable with and without the ball in their hands.
I will say it over and over again, if McCabe isn't hitting shots or getting charges, he provides nothing otherwise. He may hustle, but he is not always a spark, against Gardner Webb he was a spark, but that is one game. I also am not advocating Basabe to start.
BigD
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I think once Fran figures out what combinations work best against speed, height, and power, then he can start to identify each players role. Once the roles are identified player developement will improve as the players can focus on those roles. Right now it just seems disjunctioned or sloppy. I will admit at this time May has been a disappointment. I also think as I mentioned two games ago that white seems more suited for the four position. We will get there but it's going to take time. Even though it would mean more losses I would rather see Iowa play legit teams instead of so many weak teams to help prepare them for conference play.
deanvogs
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I have to agree with Sportstalent on this one Spank. For me the biggest problem is you slide White over to the 3 to make room for McCabe at the 4?? This is a complete head scratcher for me. McCabe does some things very well. Playing the 4 and being and inside scorer isn't one of them. So taking a talent like White and sliding him to the 3 to make room for him makes ZERO sense.
Move White back to the 4 and keep him there. Mix and match Basabe with May and McCabe. Give more time to Ogelsby/Ingram/Gesell at the 2 spot. Basically keep Marble at the 3 and White at the 4, they are our best players, keep them where they are strongest, don't move them out of position to make room for less talented players.
storminspank
Justin VanLaere
Let's not forget McCabe is sliding over to the 4 from the 5.
sportstalent
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How is that relevant, it should help more than hurt...Basabe is doing the same thing and I think his overall game is improving...he is changing his game.
What are you expecting? He has been the same player since his freshmen year. He has ball handling deficiencies that will NOT allow him to be a better player. I don't know how anyone who has watched him play or understands basketball can say he has been a disappointment. He is what he is. Just because someone is a senior does not mean they magically get better. I expect his minutes to probably decline .
jacknicholson
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Totally agree about Woodbury getting more playing time. We are a different team without him. Aaron is out of position, roaming the three point line most of the time......
Good to see the improvement of Josh and Clemmons. Mike G will come around as he becomes more experienced. He has had some very good point guards to play against which is very good for his development.......
We will be there......
Ingram needs to play more. I was shocked by how explosive he was on his drive to the basket against VT. He didn't make the basket but he blew right by VT's athletic players. Very impressive. Ingram and Sapp are really tough defenders now and are only going to get better.
If Basabe isn't going to get 5-6 rebounds a game, then he needs to sit on the bench. Iowa needs tough rebounders badly. McCabe has lead in his feet and can't finish or rebound effectively inside.....he needs to play fewer minutes. May should be used when you need a defensive stopper on a player (as a sub). White impacts the game a lot more as a 4 and needs to return to the position that fits his game. Marble play the 3 and use Ingram/Ogs and MG at the 2. Have MG and Sapp on the floor together more.
If Basabe isn't going to get 5-6 rebounds a game, then he needs to sit on the bench. Iowa needs tough rebounders badly. McCabe has lead in his feet and can't finish or rebound effectively inside.....he needs to play fewer minutes. May should be used when you need a defensive stopper on a player (as a sub). White impacts the game a lot more as a 4 and needs to return to the position that fits his game. Marble play the 3 and use Ingram/Ogs and MG at the 2. Have MG and Sapp on the floor together more.
sportstalent
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He is averaging 4.3 in under 20 mpg...I am not disappointed with that, Mel is not playing bad this year, he has had a couple games where he turned it over 3 times, but those were also easy wins.
Iowa has three tough rebounders: Woodbury, White and Basabe...the first two still working on their overall strength. I will be interested to see what Uthoff and Meyer do next season. All indications are Meyer is a guy that will sacrifice his body and Uthoff has a lot of length.
Iowa is at its best right now when they have their athletes on the floor, Ingram looked good the other night, it will be nice to see him get more playing time.
Oglesby is going to be a key at some point and he is really starting to shoot better.
SheagleHawk
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That's a pretty big stretch. Woodbury's vertical is pretty bad, and he doesn't have the stength yet to be a monster on the boards. White gets lots of put backs, but that is different than being a "tough rebounder". Basabe is the closest thing we have to a tough rebounder and I'm not sure I'd label him as such. Tough rebounders are Morgan @ Michigan, Nix or Payne @ MSU, Mbakwe @ Minny, etc. We need a guy like that, and soon.
