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ottoman89
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It’s a good argument but we’ve seen Iowa have successful QBs.
I would agree that scheme plays a part. It’s a scheme that doesn’t get receivers open constantly, and a scheme that doesn’t appeal to some of the better receivers in recruiting, which then creates the situation we've had for awhile.. receivers that don’t win the one on one match ups or get separation, making QBs throw in tight windows.
Stanzi and Tate had 26 and 21 INTs, respectively, thru their 1st two years. Stanley only has 16 total. Stanzi had 15 INTs in just 2009. Stanley has also thrown for more TDs in each of his years than either of them threw in any single year.
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Stanley made three big td passes, but 1 for 11 on third down shows his inconsistent tendencies which if he improves on, we move to next level
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No argument here. Fortunately we're not going to be facing a defensive line like that again any time soon.
okeefe4prez
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Third down was dismal, but a lot of times it was 3rd and forever and MSU would send an extra guy. In about 3/4ths of the plays that were obvious passing situations, they were on Stanley before the receivers even had a chance to get 8 yards down the field. That d-line was insane and when they brought extra pressure, Stanley was running for dear life back there.
2009 Iowa season Americanzi was 56% with 17 TDs and 15 Picks. But you weren't nervous??? maybe cause we had a much greater supporting cast.
Knight78
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But they didn't. When they played Alabama, the Tide scored 24 points against Miss. St.; they didn't play Georgia this year. They beat Auburn (who absolutely hammered Purdue) allowing them only 9 points. They lost to Florida (who embarrassed Michigan) only giving up 13 points. Are you saying that all season Miss. St. looked "statistically good due to the offense needing to execute long drives and them playing the field position game"? Yes, it can happen in one game; for the whole season? I don't think so.
They have the best defense the Hawks have seen all season and the Hawks scored 27 on them. That's the second most points Miss. St. has given up all season.
I agree with pretty much everything said here that we have a QB that is lacking poise and moxie however has the arm talent. You never know with a QB if they can learn that or if they are given it. Next year we will know for sure because he won't have any more chances here after that.
The one thing that seems to me that is sorely lacking is a go-to play, person or set of plays. As great as our tight-ends were on paper this year, and as great as they project in the NFL, I don't know if the necessarily gave us what we needed. Like in 2015, who was a better tight end, Krieger-Coble or Kittle? Kittle had flashy stats, and is certainly hands down the better athlete and NFL player. But that year, in this offense, who was more valuable? It seemed like every time CJ needed a play, a first down, or we were on the ropes, he was there. Not flashy, no gaudy stats, but steady and predictible. This year it seemed we had 2 thoroughbreds, like Kittle, when we really needed one of the guys to be a workhorse. But above all, we needed some reliable plays and players on 3rd and 4-7, and I didn't see that as much as I would have liked. Maybe they can develop something like that for Nate in the offseason.
The one thing that seems to me that is sorely lacking is a go-to play, person or set of plays. As great as our tight-ends were on paper this year, and as great as they project in the NFL, I don't know if the necessarily gave us what we needed. Like in 2015, who was a better tight end, Krieger-Coble or Kittle? Kittle had flashy stats, and is certainly hands down the better athlete and NFL player. But that year, in this offense, who was more valuable? It seemed like every time CJ needed a play, a first down, or we were on the ropes, he was there. Not flashy, no gaudy stats, but steady and predictible. This year it seemed we had 2 thoroughbreds, like Kittle, when we really needed one of the guys to be a workhorse. But above all, we needed some reliable plays and players on 3rd and 4-7, and I didn't see that as much as I would have liked. Maybe they can develop something like that for Nate in the offseason.
ChosenChildren
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I think these are fair comments and I certainly agree with them for the most part.....but I would say that several people watching the bowl game with me said that Stanley looked "calmer" than in previous games. I think this is interesting, considering the intense amount of pressure the MSU D-line was bringing.
Is it possible that Stanley's best football is ahead of him? Will he improve next year?
Stanzi had Shonn Greene to hand off to one of those years too. His whole tenure he had a better running game than Stanley has had as well. Stanley's not a bad QB. He's pretty darn good actually. Is he perfect? No I haven't seen one of those yet but it's clear to see why he's our QB and I'd hope more folks are glad he's leading us than not
He tends to play skeeerd when the lights are on.
That said, he dropped a couple of nice passes for TDs in the bowl game.
Just a season that could have been so much better. Not much of a RB threat, poor punting, inexperienced OC.
okeefe4prez
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There are two types of "statistically great" defenses in college football. One type is the one that is loaded with 4 and 5 stars who are well coached and disciplined. I.e., they are actually great. The other type is the type that cooperates with a moderately decent offense and gets into a bunch of slug fests that might go either way. This is the Iowa, Wisconsin, Mississippi State, Iowa State, Stanford, Penn State, Michigan State model. Don't get me wrong, all those ball clubs have good defenses and some really talented players, but God help you if you leave them on the field all day in bad spots.
Look, you can point to games like Alabama, but Tua was hurt when they played that game and Nick didn't let him run and called off the dogs the moment it was apparent MSU wasn't going to be able to score. At the end of the day, when you're lining up to play one of those teams, you ain't game planning to get into a high scoring shootout.
And now I don't want to take anything away from the offense because the interior of their d-line is right there with anyone, but 2 of our TDs came on really short fields and 3 of our points came courtesy of 30 yards of penalties. But I don't think for a second that MSU defense would bottle up teams like Bama at full strength (if Bama needed to score), Clemson, Oklahoma, Texas (the way they played last night), Ohio State, etc.
Iowa was 100% one dimensional on offense and Nate threw 3 TDs and 1 poc
Also had McNutt, DJK and Tony Moeaki, and real good O line. In 2009 RBs were Wegher and A Rob. Pretty good duo.
Also had McNutt, DJK and Tony Moeaki, and real good O line. In 2009 RBs were Wegher and A Rob. Pretty good duo.
And the D could not hold versus Purdue.
HawkeyeTech
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If you weren't nervous when Stanzi had the ball you must have had some good sedatives going. Stanzi was a turnover machine, but he would usually overcome his pick-6's with a couple of TD passes later on.
No he wouldn't. Wouldn't change the fact he is inaccurate, inconsistent, locks on to his receiver constantly, no pocket presence, plays very nervous/scared, slow thought process.
Carried away much? He threw a bunch of 5 yard passes outside of the 10 yard pass to a wide open Easly that he ran for 65 yards with. Was inaccurate as usual on anything over 10 yards, and missed a wide open Hockenson on his interception that could have been a td. We won't sniff a west division title with him as our qb next year.
Missed Hockenson on his pick, TJ was wide open for a likely td, missed TJ on another pass late in the game, missed sergeant down the seam for a huge gain. Threw the ball low to TJ on what could have been a first down, instead we punted the ball back to them late in the game. He misses all kinds of passes, and rarely is the ball put where the receiver can catch it in stride and run. A junior high qb could have made the pass to Easly he was so wide open.
