Preview, Prediction: A Lot on the Line for Hawkeyes, Badgers
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ClintonIAfan
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Iowa 20
Bad-gers 10
Bad-gers 10
EstronHawkKing
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The way Wisky has owned this series since 2010, it's hard to feel confident on this game.
[QUOTE="Fryowa, post: 1745303, member: 81088"]I'd take Mansell over Stanley.
Stanley's going to get blitzed into oblivion and he's about as mobile as Biz Markie.[/QUOTE]
The second sentence you wrote may be true but that first one.... I hope your not serious. Stanley for as up and down as he's been has shown he can play at a high level. Mansell has shown he can move around a little and also throw a head scratching interception. I'll take what we know over what we don't at this point. That could change but not for this week.
Stanley's going to get blitzed into oblivion and he's about as mobile as Biz Markie.[/QUOTE]
The second sentence you wrote may be true but that first one.... I hope your not serious. Stanley for as up and down as he's been has shown he can play at a high level. Mansell has shown he can move around a little and also throw a head scratching interception. I'll take what we know over what we don't at this point. That could change but not for this week.
Well, Wisconsin has a lot of injuries. Until Iowa proves it can move the ball consistently against a good defensive team like Wisconsin, I can't count on a lot of points.
The line opened with the Hawks as 3.5 dogs, at night in Kinnick. That tells me that even without Van Ginkel, Vegas thinks Wisconsin is a td better than Iowa.
Remember what Deace said a couple podcasts ago? You have to be either a TD better at QB or a TD better everywhere else to cancel out a great QB or a great DL. Wisconsin is.
I'm picking Wisconsin, 24 - Iowa 13.
The line opened with the Hawks as 3.5 dogs, at night in Kinnick. That tells me that even without Van Ginkel, Vegas thinks Wisconsin is a td better than Iowa.
Remember what Deace said a couple podcasts ago? You have to be either a TD better at QB or a TD better everywhere else to cancel out a great QB or a great DL. Wisconsin is.
I'm picking Wisconsin, 24 - Iowa 13.
I wouldnt discount that win as 'gifted'. That makes a great defensive effort seem lame. IYRC Wisky only had the ball inside the Iowa 10 one time and that was the fumble, it happens. And remember the hawk defense forced two other big turnovers on King INTs I think that gave great field position and 10 point.
It happened to the hawks last year at MSU which could have easily been a hawk win.
The Iowa offense in 2015 did just enough to seal the win. When given good field position they scored and after recovering that fumble at the 3 yard line or so the offense got the ball out to the 25 or so to flip the field.
That was a hard fought tough big 10 win like we have seen many times.
HawkGold
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PSU 2nd half.
Fryowa
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I get ya, but I just think Chryst has to have seen how bad Stanley plays when he gets pressured heavy. I'm by no means saying go to Mansell permanently but I'd like to think he's part of the conversation because he can move. Shit like this and refusal to adapt or change is why we can't break into Wisconsin's level of play.
SteveGarvey1
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Mansell has an intriguing future, but playing him this week would likely lead to disaster. He's not close to being ready for a big moment like this.
earlkoppelman
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My modest Opinion.. Which Gameplan is used? The One Designed to WIN? Or the ONE designed not to LOSE? HAWK players mighty tough.
Oh if I'm Wisky or anybody else we'd play that'd be what I'd try. I'd have 9 men boxes every single snap and I'd be rushing no less than 6 or 7 every snap. The game plan against us should be make us beat you over the top more than once. Maybe even 3 times before you adjust because of how stubborn our staff has proven to be. But for some reason teams don't. Not to that drastic of an extent anyway and it still surprises me they don't.
That said I think against any kind of quick pressure I think I'd rather have Stanley in there than Mansell yet. Even if Mansell can make the first guy or two miss what's he do after that? Not totally confident in his overall play making ability yet. Stanley needs to not hold on to the ball too long. If he can get rid of it quick and be on the money we'll be just fine
Pressure is pressure, doesn't matter who it's on.
I'm slightly encouraged by a few passes I have seen where the ball is released before the receivers even try to locate it. The one to Brandon and that one that dropped in on Fant we're done very well. That's what it's going to take to get some running room.
You are right, if I were a DC, nothing Iowa showed me last year, or this year tells me to worry much about over the top.
Another thing, when playing an over aggressive D, (inexperienced rushers) get them to jump and if they jump off sides, you absolutely throw over the top. Free play.
JoeyLabasForPresident
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You understand what Deace said, but I don't think you're applying it correctly. Wisconsin doesn't have a great quarterback. Hornibrook and Stanley are pretty similar quarterbacks, and both have been... lacking thus far. Both have had a couple of standout games, and both have had some awful games. Hornibrook has thrown more picks, so point to Iowa there. Yes, if one of them plays lights out that will be the game, but neither of them have shown any sign that they will. This will be a game fought in the trenches, plain and simple, and Iowa's DL has looked much better than Wisconsin's OL. I hope that keeps up, but we'll see given that Wisconsin will be Iowa's toughest test yet. If Stanley can pass well against Wisconsin like BYU did, that's game. BYU exposed Wisconsin's inability to defend both the pass and run at the same time. Wisconsin had a lot of attrition on defense. If Wisconsin loads the box and Iowa cannot punish it (See last season) then this will be another low scoring game. Luckily for us those are the games Iowa has been competitive in in years past.
Amen to that. We've shown it but not consistently or even 2 possessions in a row for that matter have we? This game could come down to who executes those plays enough to move the ball more and convert 3rd downs. Or it might come down to a blown defensive assignment/broken tackle and a big play or two. I think first team to 20 maybe even 17 wins.
Ree4
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If you have ever heard Kirk give a pregame speech you'd actually know that he's inspiringKirk's idea of an inspiring pregame speech:
"Men, don't forget your helmets."
Northside Hawk
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Uh, huh. Hence the emoji. He has given great interviews on Chicago sports radio station WSCR 670. Insight, dry humor, real content. Get past the occasional smugness and he is an excellent public speaker.
Hayden had a pregame ritual that I'd never heard of. He would shock his players with a cattle prod. Actually, what he would really do is turn off the lights in the locker room, call out players by name, and tell them to envision making big plays.
One time, Herky walked in on this pregame ritual because he couldn't find his beak. Hayden about went ballistic.
The source for those two stories, like many others I've told over the years, was a student manager who lived across the hall from me in the dorms. He told amazing Barry Alvarez stories that I wish I had documented.
Ree4
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If you think he's the same in public as he is in the locker room you're way off base
Northside Hawk
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I never even brought up Kirk in the locker room I brought up Hayden. I complemented Kirk and you can add he is very charitable and a tireless donater of his time. When he appeared at an I club function in Dubuque a couple years ago he signed the check for his speaking engagement over to the University library.
But I'm not backing off his smugness. He can be smug. And like many coaches he revels in not revealing inside info to the press or the public.
Ree4
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Kirk's idea of an inspiring pregame speech:
"Men, don't forget your helmets."
How is that not bringing up kirk in the locker room, where else is he going to give a pregame speech, the library?
Sorry for the attacks, I just don't like people making claims when their posts shows that they literally have no idea - even if your post was made tongue in cheek (or tongue out in your case)
Yes he sure as hell can be smug
