predict next years 8 or 9 man rotation

[ColumbusHawk]

I think Gesell never plays a minute for the Hawks. He doesn't qualify & goes the JUCO route. Plus, May plays football & Oglesby flunks out.

You have a better chance of predicting the price of Microsoft next year than you do the minutes played by the players. There are just too many variables.

I think way too many people are over estimating Gesell. Not to say that he won't be a good player. But, even if he is the scond coming of Ronnie Lester, people are setting themselves up for disappointment.

There is a tremendous difference between a Nebraska high school season & the grind of an 18-game Big Ten schedule. Don't give me that AAU manure, either. Like the PTL, defense is non-existent in AAU ball. Because of the nature of their high school competition, Clemmons & Ingram probably are better prepared to handle the grind of a Big Ten season. The fact that White faced teams with Division I talent on them most nights, helped him tremendously this year.

 

[hawkIhoops]

Agree with ColumbusHawk. Lots of expectations being placed on Gessell and Woodbury and IMO, we are probably headed for 16-17 wins next season simply because we need a lot of help and relying on 5 freshman, without much coming back, is always a stretch. White, Marble and ........?

 

[GhostofBTT]

Ingram scored 22 points in his final high school game, which was littered with D1 recruits and Clemmons is a lockdown defender (per McCaffrey). Both will get more PT than May, Oglesby etc., next season IMO.

Unlikely.

 

[IowaTeddy]

We'll go 12 deep next year, so I'll give you that:

1. Marble 33 mpg
2. White 29 mpg
3. Basabe 23 mpg
4. Gesell 21 mpg
5. McCabe 20 mpg
6. Woodbury 20 mpg
7. Oglesby 16 mpg
8. Clemmons 14 mpg
9. May 14 mpg
10. Meyer 9 mpg
11. Ingram 8 mpg
12. Olaseni 8 mpg

Note: my assessment was based on position. Before the "you think May will be better than Meyer?" accusations start, please not the logjam at PF (Basabe, McCabe) compared to SG (Oglesby, Ingram and sometimes Marble). For this reason, Clemmons' minutes are bumped up, too. I just don't see getting 15 minutes out of Olaseni, by the way.

This breakdown adds up to 215. That can't happen. (5 players) x (40 minute game) = 200 total minutes of players on court. Are you just going for relative ratios? Are you trying to rank the players in a sense? Because I don't think you did this right. The total number can't be more than 200. Unless you play triple OT games frequently.

 

[gohawkz]

This breakdown adds up to 215. That can't happen. (5 players) x (40 minute game) = 200 total minutes of players on court. Are you just going for relative ratios? Are you trying to rank the players in a sense? Because I don't think you did this right. The total number can't be more than 200. Unless you play triple OT games frequently.

They're planning to have lots of overtimes so they can sell more ice cream cones. College basketball is a business after all..

 

[sportstalent]

PG: Gesell-Clemmons, if each struggle then insert Marble
SG: Oglesby-Ingram
SF: Marble-Oglesby-White
PF: White-Basabe-McCabe
C: Woodbury-Olaseni-Meyer

If Basabe is ready to play next season then this:
PG: Same
SG: Marble-Oglesby-Ingram
SF: White-Marble-Oglesby
PF: Basabe-McCabe
C: Woodbury-Olaseni-Meyer

There are two players that will suffer a big loss of playing time if the freshman are as advertised and Basabe dedicates himself and gets back to consistency.

Iowa was at its best when Basabe was active, good PG play and not turning the ball over at a rediculous rate.

 

[hawk2012]

PG: Gesell 20, Clemmons 15, Marble 5
SG: Ogelsby 25, Ingram 10, Gesell 5
SF: Marble 25, May 10, White 5
PF: White 20, Basabe 20
C: McCabe 20, Woodbury 15, Meyer 5

White didn't play the 3 all season long. Just because we have two good 4s that both deserve to start next year (White and Basabe) doesn't mean that we can move one to a position that is not natural. Ogelsby will get more minutes than Basabe next year because we are weaker at the 2 than the 4. I think Oleseni only sees spot minutes for the next few years. We're just too deep at the 4 & 5.

I think May's minutes will be erased if we can land a juco SG/SF. This is probably the weakest link in our lineup. The fact that Fran is recruiting this position tells you that he doesn't want White at 3.

McCabe will start over Woodbury, but Woodbury will get into games early with McCabe's tendency for foul problems. Conditioning will be the biggest problem for Woodbury as it was with White to start this season. When he plays he'll provide an immediate spark off the bench, hopefully similar to what Meyers did to us when he came in the game. A running, active 7 footer for 15 minutes is far superior to a tired 7 footer for 25 minutes. I think neither Basabe and Woodbury will start but they will come off the bench together and absolutely eliminate the paint for the other team.

 

[sportstalent]

I think May's minutes will be erased if we can land a juco SG/SF. This is probably the weakest link in our lineup. The fact that Fran is recruiting this position tells you that he doesn't want White at 3.

McCabe will start over Woodbury, but Woodbury will get into games early with McCabe's tendency for foul problems.

I agree with the first part, not the second.

I am going to put stat lines up...whose is who...your choices are McCabe/Basabe:

7.7 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 0.4 apg, 1.4 topg, 20.4 mpg
7.3 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.0 apg, 1.7 topg, 21.0 mpg

If I put up all the stats it will give it away easily...

Which of the two will have a better junior season?

 

[RocknRollface]

PG: Gesell 20, Clemmons 15, Marble 5
SG: Ogelsby 25, Ingram 10, Gesell 5
SF: Marble 25, May 10, White 5
PF: White 20, Basabe 20
C: McCabe 20, Woodbury 15, Meyer 5

White didn't play the 3 all season long. Just because we have two good 4s that both deserve to start next year (White and Basabe) doesn't mean that we can move one to a position that is not natural. Ogelsby will get more minutes than Basabe next year because we are weaker at the 2 than the 4. I think Oleseni only sees spot minutes for the next few years. We're just too deep at the 4 & 5.

I think May's minutes will be erased if we can land a juco SG/SF. This is probably the weakest link in our lineup. The fact that Fran is recruiting this position tells you that he doesn't want White at 3.

McCabe will start over Woodbury, but Woodbury will get into games early with McCabe's tendency for foul problems. Conditioning will be the biggest problem for Woodbury as it was with White to start this season. When he plays he'll provide an immediate spark off the bench, hopefully similar to what Meyers did to us when he came in the game. A running, active 7 footer for 15 minutes is far superior to a tired 7 footer for 25 minutes. I think neither Basabe and Woodbury will start but they will come off the bench together and absolutely eliminate the paint for the other team.

I completely agree with your first two points but McCabe starting at center?

That contradicts your point with White/Basabe and players playing out of position.

McCabe is an undersized unathletic 4, he is not anything close to a center and his play there this year is not something we need to see ever again if it can be helped.

He gets so many fouls because he is way to small to play in the middle.

As far as Woodburys conditioning, I have no idea, but Whites conditioning doesn't mean anything in regards to Adam.

 

[atomicblue224]

These are some interesting breakdowns guys...and I love that we're not sitting here wondering how many minutes Lil' Lick, Lotta Bite's going to get...

i like to see hightower, valantinio, or scum referees get lesss than two minutes a game based on their performance!

 

[jacknicholson]

i like to see hightower, valantinio, or scum referees get lesss than two minutes a game based on their performance!

They should be penalized to public pillories for their shortcomings, Atomic.....

 

[BlackGold57]

Spots 2,3,4 pretty open and flexible. Ogs at 2, Marble 3, White at 4. The two Frosh will start. I Like Meyer, you would hope McCabe will progress. Basabe, who knows.

Starters set with the 2 Frosh, White and Marble. One spot open.

 

[herbyhawk]

since White played on the peremiter most of the season, he was very active every where inside, outside, best place is the 3, he can also shoot the 3,
Marble has shown he can shoot the 3, as well as handle the ball,
his ability to show good leadership as a pt makes him even more valuable as being the 2nd ball handler on the court with a solid point guard. this makes it hard not to have them at the 2 and 3, the arguement that White is too slow to be a 3 is not applicable, Shurna and Hummel are both 6'8 and are 3's and are not that quick,
Basabe will be the biggest benefactor of having a true center in the lineup. having someone that is anywhere from 6'10 to 7'1 will take alot of pressure off him, and he can relax and play his game rather than play something he is not, and that is a center,
McCabe will also benefit a great deal from having a true center.
and I see some have left Clemmons out of the discussion, of the incoming guards he is the only true pg, and according to the Michigan people is the #1 pg and #3 overall player instate.
Gesell is a combo guard that is working on becoming a pg, and has done a wondefull job of doing so as being rated as a top 100 player, i would hope those 2 would be able to handle the pg duties and barring injuries Marble will not have to play point again,
Olaseni has a good chance of improving enough to start or at the very least get major minutes with Woodbury,
Woodbury if he is as good as advertised should get a minimum of 20 minutes a game. Meyer is the wildcard in the 4-5 spot discussion, he can shoot the three and can play inside-out, which is what McCabe does. but only Meyer is 6'10 vs 6'7 McCabe and in the videos looks to be quicker than McCabe, this make a solid 2 man rotation of ;
PG Gesell fr Clemmons fr
SG Marble jr Oglesby so
SF White so May jr
PF Basabe jr McCabe jr
C Olaseni so Woodbury fr

with Ingram a 6'3 sg, and Meyer a 6'10 player that can split time at the 4-5 spot.
not sure where people got the idea of Ingram being a 3
May and Olaseni will surprise people next season, so don't discout or throw either one under the bus.
as for anther recruit being needed, i have not seen any players being talked about anywhere that could step in and start or get major minutes. but i do see those in next years class

 

[HerkyDog]

I see Ingram getting more minutes than Clemmons. He's a 2 by trade and we will have Gessel and marble take the PG and Ingram get more of the 2 minutes with Clemmons getting sparring minutes. JMO

You are right on the money. Hawk fans, get ready to fall in love with Patrick Ingram. He is a little off the radar for most Iowa BB fans, but he is the real deal.

A Tough, hard nosed player who loves contact and a body that can d up 4/5 positions on the floor. He has a chance to really surprise in the B10 next year, because Iowa could use him as an ideal 6th man, and Fran has shown that he does not discriminate with youth. I don't see another player on the Iowa roster next year that compares to him physically, in as far as position flexibility. I think if you could compare his body and game to an NBA player's (with the obvious caveat that he is not developed like an NBA player), I think of Rodney Stuckey of the Pistons.

 

[hawkIhoops]

Do people really think McCaffrey is bringing Woodbury in here to play behind McCabe? Hmmm, undersized, not a post player, shot blocker or presence in the paint, but McCabe is going to start over a kid who picked Iowa over UNC?

My hope is that McCaffrey has McCabe shed 20lbs and moves him to a 4. Woodbury, Meyer (if he is a post, may be a 4 from some reports) and Olaseni, who hopefully can contribute next season , can play the 5. McCabe gives max effort, but he isn't a big ten starter, especially at the 5.

 

[Foval21]

herby it is funny that you use hummel and shurna considering they both are 4s with some 3 skill. hummel was a legit 3 before his acl injuries. but shurna is not a legit 3 ever. he isnt quick enough to guard true 3s. hummel was more athletic and quicker than white before the injuries and since he has been relegated to a small 4. maybe white can develop into what hummel used to be but right now he is more like hummel now without as good of a shot. this is not me bashing on white as he has been the fire to the team (attitude and hair wise) but he is a 4 that can play limited time at the 3. he is not a 25-30 min guy at the 3 he isnt quick enough (key i didnt say fast i said quick). he is great at what he does and if we ask too much of him (ie basabe being the dominant low post presence) we will see him digress. i want to see him explode even more which to me that means put 10 lbs of muscle on him and let basabe and meyer and mccabe back him up at the 4 and play him 5+ min at the 3.

also if olaseni is called on to play more time than 5 mins a game then i see us with the same record maybe 1 or 2 more wins because we dont have the bad losses but he doesnt have the skill. he is athletic but in d1 college bball so is everyone else. basabe looks like hakeem olajuan (i know that spelling is wrong) compared to him on the offensive end. and his defense and rebounding is just ok. i am more impressed with the shot blocking prowess of white and basabe from the 4 spots. all 5 frosh have a better chance of starting and playing major minutes than olaseni. is he better than archie and brommer? yes but does it really take much at this point.

 

[RocknRollface]

herby it is funny that you use hummel and shurna considering they both are 4s with some 3 skill. hummel was a legit 3 before his acl injuries. but shurna is not a legit 3 ever. he isnt quick enough to guard true 3s. hummel was more athletic and quicker than white before the injuries and since he has been relegated to a small 4. maybe white can develop into what hummel used to be but right now he is more like hummel now without as good of a shot. this is not me bashing on white as he has been the fire to the team (attitude and hair wise) but he is a 4 that can play limited time at the 3. he is not a 25-30 min guy at the 3 he isnt quick enough (key i didnt say fast i said quick). he is great at what he does and if we ask too much of him (ie basabe being the dominant low post presence) we will see him digress. i want to see him explode even more which to me that means put 10 lbs of muscle on him and let basabe and meyer and mccabe back him up at the 4 and play him 5+ min at the 3.

also if olaseni is called on to play more time than 5 mins a game then i see us with the same record maybe 1 or 2 more wins because we dont have the bad losses but he doesnt have the skill. he is athletic but in d1 college bball so is everyone else. basabe looks like hakeem olajuan (i know that spelling is wrong) compared to him on the offensive end. and his defense and rebounding is just ok. i am more impressed with the shot blocking prowess of white and basabe from the 4 spots. all 5 frosh have a better chance of starting and playing major minutes than olaseni. is he better than archie and brommer? yes but does it really take much at this point.

White occasionally plays on the perimeter on offense so obviously he is capable of guarding smaller quicker players on defense.

 

[Foval21]

keyword "occassionally". he is capable of guarding some at certain times but if you expect him to guard a 3 for 30 min he will struggle more often than not. not because of a lack of effort but because he isnt equipped to pull it off.

 

[RocknRollface]

keyword "occassionally". he is capable of guarding some at certain times but if you expect him to guard a 3 for 30 min he will struggle more often than not. not because of a lack of effort but because he isnt equipped to pull it off.

My sacrasm didn't quite come off in that post.

It was supposed to be a joke, as every time Herb rants about White at the 3 its always in relation to offense, which isn't the problem.

 

[JHHawk]

Everyone has their own opinions on these incoming players. I looked at that shot chart for Ingram in that final game. He had 10 fgs,with one from the arc,the other 9 were inside 5 feet. He is a 6'3'' guard who right now is not a good shooter. Frosh at that size cannot make a living in the Big Ten in the paint. I think he is the prime redshirt candidate to develop his outside game.

I agree that fans are expecting too much from these recruits. We will be as good as the core that is returning will allow us.