Playoff expansion: it's about time

[MelroseHawkins]

Sorry but you still completely missed the whole point of having 6 at large teams. How does a basic 8 team playoff help balance that At large teams unfairly get to play one less game, sitting at home while the best teams battle it out, teams that won their division. How is that fair at all?? Your suggestion does not address that at all, at least I made an effort to even it out.

Pic the mic back up, you have some 'splainin to do.

Your putting the championship games as a part of the playoffs which they should not be. They aren't now and most who talk about expanding the playoffs aren't including that round. That is just part of the regular season conference set-up. In actuality, some people are talking about doing away with the c-ship games so actually going opposite of what you are pitching.

The whole idea is to make this a more simple process but try to expand. What you are promoting kind of con-volutes it all, IMO. Everybody has their own way or ideas. I like mine. You like yours. That's fine.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Sorry but you still completely missed the whole point of having 6 at large teams. How does a basic 8 team playoff help balance that At large teams unfairly get to play one less game, sitting at home while the best teams battle it out, teams that won their division. How is that fair at all?? Your suggestion does not address that at all, at least I made an effort to even it out.

Pic the mic back up, you have some 'splainin to do.

I didn't answer your question. It is fair because both sides of the bracket are even teams and even games. Everybody has to play every Saturday to move on. Nobody said you had to have an even number of at large spots. three lucky teams who had the best results compared with the SOS get the invites and a chance to win the championship. You don't need to make it any more fair than that. They get a chance to compete and win it all. That's all you can do.
This isn't everybody gets a trophy time. The teams that make the 8 will obviously be good and deserving teams, most years.

 

[4thngoal]

Your putting the championship games as a part of the playoffs which they should not be. They aren't now and most who talk about expanding the playoffs aren't including that round. That is just part of the regular season conference set-up. In actuality, some people are talking about doing away with the c-ship games so actually going opposite of what you are pitching.

The whole idea is to make this a more simple process but try to expand. What you are promoting kind of con-volutes it all, IMO. Everybody has their own way or ideas. I like mine. You like yours. That's fine.

Win your championship and you are in. (All p5"s)
The two with the strongest sos, including 1 at large (6 teams) get a bye, because it makes sense the more demanding the schedule, the more time needed to heal up. Also as a reward for playing a hard schedule. Because playing, a schedule like ours with cross overs of OSU, Michigan, PSU and having say a UCF or Oklahoma, along with ISU or something, deserves a bye. Especially when another P5 champ could schedule 3 easy non cons, and their conference could be in a down cycle. Thus their conference championship carries less weight by sos.

 

[Ree4]

Your putting the championship games as a part of the playoffs which they should not be. They aren't now and most who talk about expanding the playoffs aren't including that round. That is just part of the regular season conference set-up. In actuality, some people are talking about doing away with the c-ship games so actually going opposite of what you are pitching.

The whole idea is to make this a more simple process but try to expand. What you are promoting kind of con-volutes it all, IMO. Everybody has their own way or ideas. I like mine. You like yours. That's fine.

I can't believe this is so difficult to understand. You say Conference championships shouldn't be part of the playoffs?? They already ARE. Every 8 team playoff scenario uses the Conference Championships as part of the playoff, because the result of those games determine the 5 conference champions. Fine, remove the championships from the "playoff". You have 5 conference champions, it's the same thing, 3 at large "champions" - 8 teams.

The only thing different that you are saying from what I'm saying is I say we should have 6 at larges play each other for the remaining 3 spots to remove the unfairness of them not playing an extra game. How does it make things more complicated in any way whatsoever?


What you're technically proposing is a 13 team playoff, how is that less complicated than a 16 team bracket?

 

[Ree4]

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[HawkeyeWalker]

It will take a way the uniqueness of the bowl system. Once you go to 8 teams then, eventually, that won't be enough.

I think 4 teams is enough.

Having 40+ bowls took away the uniqueness. All the bowls can still exist, they will just be quarterfinals, semifinals, and championship for the top 7 bowls. Let the bowls "bid" for the level they want.

Going to 8 teams is only 1 more set of games for those that win.

It makes sense on many levels. So it probably wont happen for 10 years.

 

[Ree4]

Another key difference, do you guys think that teams who lose their conference championship game should be eligible for an At Large spot? I don't.

 

[4thngoal]

I can't believe this is so difficult to understand. You say Conference championships shouldn't be part of the playoffs?? They already ARE. Every 8 team playoff scenario uses the Conference Championships as part of the playoff, because the result of those games determine the 5 conference champions. Fine, remove the championships from the "playoff". You have 5 conference champions, it's the same thing, 3 at large "champions" - 8 teams.

The only thing different that you are saying from what I'm saying is I say we should have 6 at larges play each other for the remaining 3 spots to remove the unfairness of them not playing an extra game. How does it make things more complicated in any way whatsoever?


What you're technically proposing is a 13 team playoff, how is that less complicated than a 16 team bracket?

6 at large?? Holy crap. 3 at large is pushing it.
It's their choice to be independent and not join a conference, so to friggin bad.
1 at large is plenty fair. Either they need to join a conference or schedule top teams from the conferences. Which could be harder with all P5 champs getting in.

It's business 101. Its also fair. If they want to be independent let the group of independents play their own championship.
As for not being in a p5 and not getting in?? Well Jesus should we let Mac teams in? Jr colleges in? Community colleges in? Because they went undefeated or something? Just like UCF playing Auburn? But yet what if they played the likes of an Auburn week after week?
That's why they are not in p5 conference. The competition is greater week in and week out and thus the conference champs get in. Duh??

 

[MelroseHawkins]

I can't believe this is so difficult to understand. You say Conference championships shouldn't be part of the playoffs?? They already ARE. Every 8 team playoff scenario uses the Conference Championships as part of the playoff, because the result of those games determine the 5 conference champions. Fine, remove the championships from the "playoff". You have 5 conference champions, it's the same thing, 3 at large "champions" - 8 teams.

The only thing different that you are saying from what I'm saying is I say we should have 6 at larges play each other for the remaining 3 spots to remove the unfairness of them not playing an extra game. How does it make things more complicated in any way whatsoever?


What you're technically proposing is a 13 team playoff, how is that less complicated than a 16 team bracket?

You are out there dude. Hell, go back and say that the conference games are a part of the playoff as in many instances they really are to teams. Yes, one can argue that the significance of them makes them a one and done. Nobody is arguing that or having a hard time understanding that. It's just that I don't agree with you. Why get so butt hurt over it? I completely understand what you are trying to sell, I just not interested in buying it.

The reason nobody views the c-ship games as part of the playoff is because they want a playoff that they may incorporate bowl games into it. The c-ship games help determine WHO GETS INTO THE "OFFICIAL" PLAYOFF. It doesn't make any sense to incorporate the c-ship games into the playoff, even thought they have a direct correlation to the playoffs as one and done games. Yes, theoretically, the whole damn conference season is a playoff as every game is a must win. Just because someone isn't buying what you are selling doesn't mean they don't understand it. I just don't want any part of a convoluted cluster $uck of a system. Simplify it.

AND AGAIN, don't be surprised if many conferences do away with the conference championship games. So that would blow up your idea anyway.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Having 40+ bowls took away the uniqueness. All the bowls can still exist, they will just be quarterfinals, semifinals, and championship for the top 7 bowls. Let the bowls "bid" for the level they want.

Going to 8 teams is only 1 more set of games for those that win.

It makes sense on many levels. So it probably wont happen for 10 years.

Don't tell Ree4 this, he'd rather have this convoluted subjective process with 16 teams. Just kidding Ree4.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

You are out there dude. Hell, go back and say that the conference games are a part of the playoff as in many instances they really are to teams. Yes, one can argue that the significance of them makes them a one and done. Nobody is arguing that or having a hard time understanding that. It's just that I don't agree with you. Why get so butt hurt over it? I completely understand what you are trying to sell, I just not interested in buying it.

The reason nobody views the c-ship games as part of the playoff is because they want a playoff that they may incorporate bowl games into it. The c-ship games help determine WHO GETS INTO THE "OFFICIAL" PLAYOFF. It doesn't make any sense to incorporate the c-ship games into the playoff, even thought they have a direct correlation to the playoffs as one and done games. Yes, theoretically, the whole damn conference season is a playoff as every game is a must win. Just because someone isn't buying what you are selling doesn't mean they don't understand it. I just don't want any part of a convoluted cluster $uck of a system. Simplify it.

AND AGAIN, don't be surprised if many conferences do away with the conference championship games. So that would blow up your idea anyway.

To be fair, I think the only way you see CCGs going away is IF we see a full-blown, 16-team or 24-team, or even 32-team playoff. Then let some of the bowls remain as games for teams that will NEVER see a chance at a playoff. Let those games stay in the South, as travel rewards for said teams. But a true playoff, with games in Northern stadiums, will be the only truly meaningful solution. Any "playoff" where an Ohio State or Northern-based team has to go to a Pac-12 or $EC stadium, or worse, where they call them "neutral-site" games with the obvious "wink-and-a-nod", will still leave us nowhere. Unless/until a 2-loss Alabama has to leave the comfy South to play an undefeated team north of the Ohio River or west of the Rockies, it's still a "loaded" system.

Hell, look at March Madness. My guess is Duke and UNCs athletic staff don't even know airport codes west of the Appalachians.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Another key difference, do you guys think that teams who lose their conference championship game should be eligible for an At Large spot? I don't.

6 at large?? Holy crap. 3 at large is pushing it.
It's their choice to be independent and not join a conference, so to friggin bad.
1 at large is plenty fair. Either they need to join a conference or schedule top teams from the conferences. Which could be harder with all P5 champs getting in.

It's business 101. Its also fair. If they want to be independent let the group of independents play their own championship.
As for not being in a p5 and not getting in?? Well Jesus should we let Mac teams in? Jr colleges in? Community colleges in? Because they went undefeated or something? Just like UCF playing Auburn? But yet what if they played the likes of an Auburn week after week?
That's why they are not in p5 conference. The competition is greater week in and week out and thus the conference champs get in. Duh??

I have an idea. Why not just do away with every $ucking thing and just set up one huge freaking tournament bracket at the beginning of the year and have have a one and done. Screw it!!

 

[MelroseHawkins]

6 at large?? Holy crap. 3 at large is pushing it.
It's their choice to be independent and not join a conference, so to friggin bad.
1 at large is plenty fair. Either they need to join a conference or schedule top teams from the conferences. Which could be harder with all P5 champs getting in.

It's business 101. Its also fair. If they want to be independent let the group of independents play their own championship.
As for not being in a p5 and not getting in?? Well Jesus should we let Mac teams in? Jr colleges in? Community colleges in? Because they went undefeated or something? Just like UCF playing Auburn? But yet what if they played the likes of an Auburn week after week?
That's why they are not in p5 conference. The competition is greater week in and week out and thus the conference champs get in. Duh??

I thought the same thing. A tournament shouldn't have more "at large" bids then automatic bids.

 

[Robowe]

Having 40+ bowls took away the uniqueness. All the bowls can still exist, they will just be quarterfinals, semifinals, and championship for the top 7 bowls. Let the bowls "bid" for the level they want.

Going to 8 teams is only 1 more set of games for those that win.

It makes sense on many levels. So it probably wont happen for 10 years.

You mean you didn't watch Ohio-San Diego State in the DXL Frisco Bowl last night? I did. Well, I went to a restaurant and it was on TV, but still ...

And this bowl game was played in a soccer stadium.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

You mean you didn't watch Ohio-San Diego State in the DXL Frisco Bowl last night? I did. Well, I went to a restaurant and it was on TV, but still ...

I heard it was one of the two worst DXL Frisco Bowls ever...

 

[4thngoal]

You are out there dude. Hell, go back and say that the conference games are a part of the playoff as in many instances they really are to teams. Yes, one can argue that the significance of them makes them a one and done. Nobody is arguing that or having a hard time understanding that. It's just that I don't agree with you. Why get so butt hurt over it? I completely understand what you are trying to sell, I just not interested in buying it.

The reason nobody views the c-ship games as part of the playoff is because they want a playoff that they may incorporate bowl games into it. The c-ship games help determine WHO GETS INTO THE "OFFICIAL" PLAYOFF. It doesn't make any sense to incorporate the c-ship games into the playoff, even thought they have a direct correlation to the playoffs as one and done games. Yes, theoretically, the whole damn conference season is a playoff as every game is a must win. Just because someone isn't buying what you are selling doesn't mean they don't understand it. I just don't want any part of a convoluted cluster $uck of a system. Simplify it.

AND AGAIN, don't be surprised if many conferences do away with the conference championship games. So that would blow up your idea anyway.

I agree.

The conf championship games are not part of the playoffs as you can still be conf champ of a p5 and not get in. Correction, champ of any conf other than the sec. Even when they are not the strongest conf.

 

[Ree4]

I agree.
The conf championship games are not part of the playoffs as you can still be conf champ of a p5 and not get in. Correction, champ of any conf other than the sec. Even when they are not the strongest conf.

So if it went to an 8 team playoff you're saying that certain P5 conference champions will be left out?

Ugh, I'm done trying to explain this =/ I don't know how much simpler I can make it, you guys say you understand it but follow up with rebuttals that make no sense and show that you don't get it

 

[deanvogs]

So if it went to an 8 team playoff you're saying that certain P5 conference champions will be left out?

Ugh, I'm done trying to explain this =/ I don't know how much simpler I can make it, you guys say you understand it but follow up with rebuttals that make no sense and show that you don't get it

I feel your pain. Some just can't grasp very simple concepts. If you say you are going to a 8 team playoff with conference champs getting auto bids, you are actually already at a 13 team playoff (10 teams playing for 5 conference championship spots) and then 3 other teams selected. Just go to 16 and call it a day.

 

[4thngoal]

So if it went to an 8 team playoff you're saying that certain P5 conference champions will be left out?

Ugh, I'm done trying to explain this =/ I don't know how much simpler I can make it, you guys say you understand it but follow up with rebuttals that make no sense and show that you don't get it

Without changes, absolutely. They are being left out now are they not?
8 teams is still pushing it, because you get 60% of the teams that make the playoffs from at large.
That's bs no matter how you slice it.
One at large and all p5 champs. That's the only sell here. No p5 conference in their right mind would even consider anything else.

You go to 8 and no changes, and I can see it now, Bama isn't conf champs but they get in. Florida only lost to the champs so they get in and Georgia is the champs so they get in. See where I'm going???
As for independents, hey they reap the rewards of being independent and get thrown in with non P5 conferences and from that pool, one gets selected on wins and sos.

 

[deanvogs]

Without changes, absolutely. They are being left out now are they not?
8 teams is still pushing it, because you get 60% of the teams that make the playoffs from at large.
That's bs no matter how you slice it.
One at large and all p5 champs. That's the only sell here. No p5 conference in their right mind would even consider anything else.

You go to 8 and no changes, and I can see it now, Bama isn't conf champs but they get in. Florida only lost to the champs so they get in and Georgia is the champs so they get in. See where I'm going???
As for independents, hey they reap the rewards of being independent and get thrown in with non P5 conferences and from that pool, one gets selected on wins and sos.

I would support a 6 team playoff, but I didn't see any talk of that. Seems like they are talking about 8 teams.