Player Development under Lick

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TalkHawk

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Which players have improved under the watch of Lickliter?


It is difficult and roles change when selfish acts occur like Tucker's to take away from the team- players transferring change roles as well.

Still, why has Gatens become a worse shooter even when wide open?

I get he has to try to create his own shot more which he clearly can not do yet.

Why has Gatens become so mentally weak? He obviosly cares. He is frustrated because he is a true Hawkeye and it probably is killing him they are a laughing stock.
However, his overall development as a player, skill wise and mentally, is very poor.


Who has gotten better? Fuller? Is that it?


or is it not fair to evaluate because of the tranferred players and Tucker not in the lineup?
 
I guess you could make an argument for Cole?

Or it could be he is just playing more so that correlates with scoring and rebounding numbers being higher.

We don't try to score near the basket anyway.



I guess you could argue Little Lick has gotten better but that is irrelevant.



I dont see skill levels being improved.

Alford used to get killed about this and this was supposedly one of Lickliter's strengths.

I don't see it but maybe I am missing something.
 
He develops players to play in his system which apparently entails making them worse...individually no one has improved I see more regression than progression...
 
He has developed players more in the first two months of the year than SA did for any of the yrs. he was here. Unfortunately some of those players have left.....which makes me question this thread at all......This is only his 2nd yr. if you consider the first a wash. These are finally his players....you'll have to give it another year to truly assess player development.
 
Kelly, Tate, Gorney, Palmer, Peterson, Fuller and Cole have all shown significant improvement under Lickliter.
 
Hard to tell how much the coach had to do with improvement in a lot of cases. Being older and more experienced often helps on its own. Also getting a chance to play, whom you are playing with, etc. A tough argument to make either way IMO.
 
IF there was any improvement, then we would see the fruit of that work. The results are clearing screaming at the top of their lungs.
 
cibula11 said:
That regression would most likely be due to a lack of work ethic on the part of the player, not the coach.
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Yes and No. Let's break it down...

Obviously my opinions only, so take it at face value.

Did they improve, decline or neither...

Angle - Wash.
Bohall - Improved, then left.
Cole - Improved.
Freeman - Wash/Declined, then left.
Gorney - Improved.
Johnson - Improved.
Kelly - Improved.
Looby - Greatly improved.
Palmer - Wash, then left.
Peterson - Wash/Declined, then left.
Tate - Improved.
Bawinkel - Declined.
Brommer - Wash.
Davis - Declined.
Fuller - Improved.
Gatens - Wash.
Lickliter - Improved.
Tucker - Declined.
Archie - Wash.
Payne - Wash/Improved.
 
storminspank said:
Yes and No. Let's break it down...

Obviously my opinions only, so take it at face value.

Did they improve, decline or neither...

Angle - Wash.
Bohall - Improved, then left.
Cole - Improved.
Freeman - Wash/Declined, then left.
Gorney - Improved.
Johnson - Improved.
Kelly - Improved.
Looby - Greatly improved.
Palmer - Wash, then left.
Peterson - Wash/Declined, then left.
Tate - Improved.
Bawinkel - Declined.
Brommer - Wash.
Davis - Declined.
Fuller - Improved.
Gatens - Wash.
Lickliter - Improved.
Tucker - Declined.
Archie - Wash.
Payne - Wash/Improved.
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I agree with everything....but I might add that Payne is still a FROSH, so let's just wait and see after he goes thru the B10. Tucker has the equivalent of what amounts to 3/4 yr. of inconsistent experience, so who knows what he'll amount to.
 
It's almost impossible to tell if coaching is the reason for improvement and how much results from other things, like playing time, maturation, etc. I realize that the question is whether anyone improved, not why, so I'll go along with Spank's analysis on this.
 
First, I would say you would have to define some sort of standards to base player development on and I am not sure what those standards would be?

I am just going to discuss our present players because they are that matter right now, although Looby and Tate gave me great hope because I thought both of them greatly improved. Now was that coaching or because of experience or both, probably both. Kelly...really took off when he just started doing his own thing and kind of left the "system" toward the end of the year from what I could see last year.

Gatens does not appear to have improved that much from last year and players typically make their biggest improvement between their freshmen and sophomore years. However, he does not have a point guard or much surrounding help, which handicaps his play. I would say Matt's play has not improved much from last year but again how would we know on this team?

Tucker, who knows, he has yet to play during a Big 10 season in 2 years of playing for the Hawks. Very undependable. He could be considerable a freshmen at this point I suppose but he does not play ANY defense and seems to just like to shoot the ball. He hasn't progressed as far as I can see and may have regressed IMO just because of lack of defensive play.

Bawinkle shoots the ball and that is it and apparently that is all Lickliter wants him to do, which certainly handicapps the kid. But maybe he can't do anything else? He hasn't progressed since last year IMO.

Cole is certainly playing better but he didn't play last year.

Are the freshmen improving as the season is progressing? Payne is but he is having to log way too many minutes. Cougill is in over his head in Big 10 play and will have a tough time of it the rest of the season. May has improved. Is it coaching or just playing 35 minutes a game or both? None play very good defense so that would be blamed on coaching most definitely.

Fuller has improved but he didn't play last year, like Cole.
Brommer has not improved apparently...

With the team getting blown out almost every game this year it is hard to say that they are improving, even the kids that played last year. If they were improving, I would think we would see some games at least where they would be challenging some teams (other than the truly bottom feeders of the country) but they aren't. They haven't really challenged any team this year...nada other than Duquense, which tells me IF they are improving, it isn't much and the improvement certainly is not on the defensive side that is for sure. And we do not see any type of improvement against one of the better teams they play...ONLY against the bottom feeders like themselves, which is truly scary to me.

If a team were truly be coached along and improving we would see SOME improvement against better teams and we aren't. Most teams are having trouble even getting up and ready to PLAY Iowa and aren't even taking Iowa seriously at this point. We even have hated rivals feeling sorry for us...and that is a rival who themselves are a terrible team but have NO problem beating us.
 
Player development is relative to the rest of the team . When you develop players, but 3 or 4 leave, you have completely different makeup and you can't really define it as clearly. On top of that most people getting down on freshman who have a handful of game under their belt and sophs and a sr. who haven't really played much over the last 2 yrs.
 
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