No, what I'm saying is that the NCAA is a feckless organization, who administers its "justice" in random and arbitrary ways. I wouldn't rely on that organization to do anything productive or reliable. Maybe they could resort to some colonial days-type punishment - hang a scarlet letter on Penn State's otherwise pristine white helmets.
No, but if the parents profited by some illegal activity, then the heirs will be disgorged of those profits. It's complicated, and made moreso by the unevenness with which the NCAA has already handled this matter.
I absolutely think penalties should follow the coaches in those cases more so then the school. Unless the administrators are involved/enabling. In UNCs case where there's academic fraud going on then yes get to the bottom of that. Then punish them too. I think the NCAA should make coaches unhireable if they were to try changing jobs while in trouble for whatever period of years. And once they come back make a huge chunk of their wages go to charities to where they are about working for regular folks wages. See if they really do love coaching for the love of the game or not... But what your speaking of is right after the fact. This PSU deal we are talking about is retroactively punishing for decades ago crimes where the main players are in jail, dead, and I think some of the other administrators involved with the covering it up have trials pending or have been punished already too. So by punishing todays PSU who is getting punished? I have no problem with how they were fined through the roof either. But again taking away schollies for kids or the coaching staff there now... Only completely innocent people are being punished in that case...
So if the Des Moines Register uncovered a bunch of evidence that Alfraud tried to suppress evidence or intimidate the victim in the PP case, then the current basketball team should be punished?
I can definitely agree with that, but letting the university off scot-free is a little hard to swallow. They should at least be vacated of wins, championships, and any other team awards during the time period.
I agree it's tough for the kids there, but when a school puts sports above everything else, a price has to be paid to prevent future abuse of the rules. This was a cover up for more years than any of us thought. The price should be the death penalty for the same amount of years. A message has to be sent that if you cover up child abuse, you don't get to have football. Period.
Sure I'd have no problem with those being vacated too. I think that's somewhat pointless in the sense that the games were played and what the outcomes were can't really be changed. But as far as the coaches records sure erase them. The vacating of banners/championships don't really do a whole lot other then just give the school less PR going forward to brag about. I'm fine if they do that but it's not nearly as impactful as any kind of sanctions against the current coaches/athletes have been. Taking away more schollies or post season games when the current and future kids and coaches have earned them is punishing the wrong people...
Hmm I'd be interested to see how a vote of that would go. I bet a vote amongst ADs and head coaches around the league would be different then fans... I don't think KF would vote out PSU do you? I think 5 years ago or so fans would have voted them out no sweat. But now I'm not so sure about that fans just let things go in todays 24-7 news cycle that sadly that is almost old news already....
