One guy did who is now dead. Karma already dished him his punishment. I guess I'm just not a huge fan of punishing everyone around someone who comits a crime.
Penn State still doesn't get it.
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One guy did who is now dead. Karma already dished him his punishment. I guess I'm just not a huge fan of punishing everyone around someone who comits a crime.
Couldn't care less about the games being on or off his record... To me taking them away hurt the kids and other coaches that had nothing to do with any of it... It was a knee jerk reaction where they just wanted to pile on. As far as Paterno himself goes what he did/didn't do was pretty damn disgraceful.... There's no getting that stink off your record wins or no wins...
HawkeyeMike23
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Exactly, people can't grasp that all of those involved are being punished or dead. It wasn't some university wide cover up like some people believe, it was a handful of good ole boys covering up for one of their own. People make it seem like they announced that Sandusky is a pedophile at freshman orientation and every PSU fan knew and did nothing about it.
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DDThompson
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No. I'll go out on a limb here and say that it's more likely if not a metaphysical certainty that the old guy raping boys AND the older pa covering it so he could keep winning football games and allow his friend to keep raping boys....those guys are the psychotic dooshes. And everyone that defends what they did.
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DDThompson
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karma has nothing to do with it. You and I are going to take a dirt nap and I haven't enabled a rapist.
But I agree with your view on punishment. Only those who were invlolved by action or inaction should be punished.
Sparky
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DDThompson
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True. Targeted punishment of the football program makes the school colatersl damage. But I doubt the school as a whole was an enabler of boy-rape or involved in the coverup of it.
Students still earned degrees. Guys still played football and had the choice to transfer.
To have the opinion that PSU or Paterno aren't being punished enough is an opinion. It may be wrong but it doesn't make the person who holds that opinion a psychotic doosh.
Sparky
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It kind of does. The punishment should have been worse and for the NCAA to cave makes them part of the problem in my book.
At least in the end Joe Pa is dead and hopefully burning in hell and Sandusky is in jail getting his *** pounded, literally. Hopefully the rest of the enablers at PedU will leave the kids alone when they visit.
PSU isn't the one protesting the penalties, not directly anyway. It's a state senator putting heat on the NCAA. Since there is really no upside for the NCAA to stand up to the legal pressure, and the senator has the backing of the majority of nutjobs voting for him, the NCAA caves. Either that or withstand a slew of legal proceedings in which the NCAA gains nothing. The nutjobs aren't winning because they are right, not by a longshot.
Also, punishment at the football program level is not much different than what happens for a recruiting violation. They don't just go get the employee responsible, they penalize the whole program, just as it should be. This cover-up attempted to benefit the football programs reputation and therefore the football program should be penalized. I don't care what a bunch of PSU football nutjobs think.
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I bet you'd care if it was your kid that it happened to you pathetic a$$hole.
Billso
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JoePa covered up nothing. He reported the incident to his superiors, one of whom managed campus police, and made sure McQueary followed up. Sandusky was not a Penn State employee at the time, and was banned from campus facilities shortly after the incident. Paterno did not do more, and said in retrospect he wishes he did more. We also still don't know what McQueary actually told Paterno, beyond "something of a sexual nature" - McQueary has stated several times under oath he did not give Paterno the details because he was embarrassed.
That said, nobody seems to think through what Paterno *should* have done further after reporting the incident. Called the police? He thought he was doing that by reporting to Schultz. Called them to ensure the investigation was continuing? Perhaps, but he'd then be condemned for interference with official acts, and remember Sandusky wasn't his employee.
There was a coverup, alright, but it was from Schulz, Curley, and Spanier, along with the Second Mile charity management and board, HIS ACTUAL EMPLOYERS and the source of those victimized kids. That's where your contempt should lie, Paterno was a bit player by comparison.
Oh yes he did. There's a reason they tore down his statue. He didn't report anything to anybody. All he did was setup a meeting a week later and even then he didn't tell them what McQueary told him. Make no mistake, he knew exactly what McQueary was telling him. There was also a history before that.
Billso
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Wrong on all counts. He relayed the report the next day, and they met with McQueary 10 days later. Paterno appropriately didn't attend that meeting because he wasn't a witness. Imagine the accusations of tampering if he HAD attended. And McQueary has testified repeatedly under oath he witheld the details from Paterno - I guess you were there? The guy who absolutely should have called the police is Mike McQueary the ACTUAL WITNESS.
You might try to rise above other low-information posters, and actually read the grand jury presentment or Freeh Report.
hawkeyebob62
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Billso, while I understand and agree with what you wrote, I think there is a serious disconnect on both sides.
It serves nobody to restore those wins, although, admittedly, it served nobody (save Bobby Bowden, maybe) to remove them in the first place.
What I think is most harmful is the fact that all this sort of throws a blanket over the events that DID take place. The victims, their families, the Paterno family and even some of the Sandusky family have to relive it every time this stuff happens, but on the whole, the spotlight is shone on the wins instead of on the criminal acts.
I can't say I really understand why, now that he is dead, anyone cares so much about the number of wins Joe Paterno had. It actually diminishes the positive things he accomplished for the university outside of football, IMO.
Paterno admitted under oath McQueary told him a child was being molested in a "sexual nature". What other "details" did he need to know? Schultz testified that Paterno told him it was a "wrestling around activity" and that "the allegations came across as not serious". That's the way Paterno wanted it.
The Freeh report indicates Paterno did cover-up information in order to avoid bad publicity. Maybe you should read it.
Jjgoiowa11
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Idk what's worserr, joe p knowing about Jerry and not saying anything or not knowing but was that close to him? Is joe a that slow or naive?? Holy makerel
Uhhmm i like to think i know my close friends well enuff that i could tell if they were a child molestor in disguise. It wasnt like Jer bear was too sneaky with it.... Ugh ermahgerd, some of those stories are terrible. What a creeeeepy old man
Uhhmm i like to think i know my close friends well enuff that i could tell if they were a child molestor in disguise. It wasnt like Jer bear was too sneaky with it.... Ugh ermahgerd, some of those stories are terrible. What a creeeeepy old man
Rosebowler
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Sparky
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That last part is debatable.
Ha. Nice. +1 for you.
