Pat Forde destroys MSU hiring of Tucker

Fryowa said:
Lol, I'm pretty sure as part of my job I never went to my co-workers or subordinates living rooms and promised them that I believed in their talent, and I wanted what's best for them, and that I'm committed to helping them be successful.

Also, if I quit somewhere it doesn't leave my workplace in shambles and chaotically jeopardize the whole thing. Pretty dumb analogy.

Look we can debate this round and round, but you're either a man of your word or a liar; there's no middle ground. That douchey F stick told college kids and their families that he was sticking with them and then he bolted on 'em two days later. If your definition of integrity is different that's fine.
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You sound like Ned Stark.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
Hardly the first (or likely the last) coach to do something like this. I'm not sure the 2 week window is reasonable...you can't control the hiring timeline of a prospective employer. For ex: what if a team in the playoffs or any bowl for that matter...wanted to hire a guy as a DC or OC or even HC that didn't make a bowl game? Couldn't happen. You also have the domino affect. If a guy at school "A" takes a different job you can't expect his replacement and that guy's replacement and that guy's replacement...all to be interviewed and hired within 2 weeks.

That said, some rule changes wouldn't be bad. The biggest one is regardless of the contract, a school should have redress against any coach that brings the NCAA down on them...if it can be shown that he was in the know. (There in lies the rub, of course). A coach shouldn't be able to bail and stick the school with the disaster without repercussions. Pete Carroll did it the best way...he went pro. Even then USC should have been able to recover some of his comp.

The idea that players can transfer without repercussion also seems fair, but I tend to think it should apply only to incoming recruits or perhaps first year players. Otherwise it could deplete a program pretty quickly. Once a kid is at a school 2 or 3 years, it's also usually to his advantage to close the deal. He's got a lot invested there.

No easy answers though
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I'm coming around more and more to the "one-free-transfer" idea. And in the case of a recently-signed LOI, players should have the option to nullify it within 30 days of a hire/fire/leave. In other words, BOTH MSU and CU recruits should have the option to re-open recruitment within 30 days of the respective announcements.
 
Fryowa said:
My post was more just off the cuff that there needs to be something changed or rules created to disincentivize coaches from bailing on schools number one, and number two disincentivize schools from structuring coaches’ contracts in such a way that guys like Dantonio can wait for the clock to strike midnight in February and skip town.

However it’s structured I do think there needs to be a “transfer” rule to impact coaches leaving after a certain time period. I know it wouldn’t be perfect, but I think what could be the offsetting factor is that schools would structure contracts in such a manner that would prevent it (or at least make it unappealing).

And maybe the answer isn’t a rule change about when and where they can’t go, maybe it’s a rule that says athletes have to be given a certain amount of notice before a coach leaves if he leaves to take a lateral or vertical job offer. Because my main gripe isn’t that he left, that’s happens all the time. It’s that he went public one minute saying he was Rock Steady and flew the coop the next minute leaving the school and players high & dry.

Maybe say that a coach has to notify players by such and such a date otherwise he can’t participate in his new team’s activities until fall ball. If that rule were in effect, MSU would never have structured the contract in such a manner as to give MD a big check in February. They would have either gone looking earlier, or waited because no coach is going to quit in the spring and wait to take over a program in the fall.

I honestly haven’t really sat down and thought through scenarios, and obviously there would be tons of them, but the NCAA is tough on player movement, it needs to be just as tough in coach movement. Especially in egregious ones like this.
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Lengthy post aside, one thought it generated is the "longevity bonus" timing. Who the hell earns a "longevity bonus" in January/February for college football? But worse, how could ANYone allow a contract where a guy can collect it, then leave the second the accusations fly?

I think that's why we saw the "Dantonio-will-remain-as-an-ambassador-for-the-school" language. MSU higher-ups were smart enough to let him know he might see that "bonus" contested in court if things go further south than the Michigan/Indiana border, so to speak.
 
Zstatman said:
The thing is, if MSU gets this wrong it could take them years, if not decades, to dig out of the hold they will find themselves in. There are plenty of examples.

Personally, this thought doesn't bother me one little bit.
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It wouldn't take decades. C'mon now!!
 
The open Colorado job would seem like a natural fit for alumnus Eric Bieniemy, if he would be interested in returning to the college ranks.

But for now he gets the somewhat attractive gig of coaching Pat Mahomes. And maybe Andy Reid is grooming Eric to be his future successor.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
Exactly. Yet, Gold still obsesses about his record at Maine. A job he held while Gold was probably still in a onesie.
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I wonder if he's aware of coach K's record in his first three seasons at Duke. As two of their biggest rivals won national championships in back to back years.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
Exactly. Yet, Gold still obsesses about his record at Maine. A job he held while Gold was probably still in a onesie.
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Onesies not around then... The only point was that KF had no real credentials for HC. He worked out. Maine was wore under KF than before and after.

Tell me you wouldnt be concerned if Barra brought in someone with 3 losing 1aa years and only a line coach if you didnt have knowledge of KFs success.
 
HawkGold said:
Onesies not around then... The only point was that KF had no real credentials for HC. He worked out. Maine was wore under KF than before and after.

Tell me you wouldnt be concerned if Barra brought in someone with 3 losing 1aa years and only a line coach if you didnt have knowledge of KFs success.
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Barta will never be the sole influence in hiring. Nor will any other AD
 
HawkGold said:
Onesies not around then... The only point was that KF had no real credentials for HC. He worked out. Maine was wore under KF than before and after.

Tell me you wouldnt be concerned if Barra brought in someone with 3 losing 1aa years and only a line coach if you didnt have knowledge of KFs success.
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Totally get your point. We all were at the time too. KF was a distant plan B to everyone wanting Stoops. I'm not even sure KF was that. He was just we knew was also on the radar for it. But yeah Iowa was patient it took till yr 3 for serious improvement to be seen and then yr 4 was awesome and the KF tenure was established. Those first 2 yrs the jury was still out and nowadays when you bring someone in with a thin resume and that combination... College football has changed even since the early 00s in that regard.
 
On the subject of CKF hiring. I believe that Maine had one year with a 6-5 record, which was a rare occurrence. The Maine job was low paying. KF made more money as an pro assistant coach than as a head coach at Maine. Dwelling on the head coach record at Maine is petty.

I can't find any article to link to, but Hayden Fry identified KF as being head coach material. We all know the future head coaches that were on Fry's staff. This topic needs to die.
 
Zstatman said:
How long did it take Bama to go from Bear Bryant to Nick Saban?

How long is it going to take Nebraska to go from Tom Osborne to ??????
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Too damned long on Bama. People sometimes forget Stallings won a title in the early '90's, but there was a lot of bad football in the interim.
 
HawkGold said:
Onesies not around then... The only point was that KF had no real credentials for HC. He worked out. Maine was wore under KF than before and after.

Tell me you wouldnt be concerned if Barra brought in someone with 3 losing 1aa years and only a line coach if you didnt have knowledge of KFs success.
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In his last 2 years with Baltimore, he was elevated to OL coach/Assistant Head Coach, for what that is worth.
 
eyekwah said:
On the subject of CKF hiring. I believe that Maine had one year with a 6-5 record, which was a rare occurrence. The Maine job was low paying. KF made more money as an pro assistant coach than as a head coach at Maine. Dwelling on the head coach record at Maine is petty.

I can't find any article to link to, but Hayden Fry identified KF as being head coach material. We all know the future head coaches that were on Fry's staff. This topic needs to die.
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It worked out. It is relevant to the topic.
 
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