Overwhelmed with Frustration

[NeilDiamond]

The ONLY way I see KF ever being fired is even he had two 1-4 win seasons back to back and attendance dwindled to less than 50K per game. Aside from that, it won't happen despite the calls of a vocal minority. Instead, Barta will attempt to placate and buy time with the whole bowl streak BS, which is complete BS b/c 70% of teams go to bowl games and when you have a river of resources being thrown at a program like Iowa does, a bowl game should simply be a given.

I think the only way to get rid of KF anytime soon is for him to just quit. He looks tired as it is, so it could happen, especially after we suck again next year and James graduates. That said, he would be leaving a sick amount of cash on the table through 2020, so he will probably just stay and go through the motions like most of the past 6 years.

 

[ThunderHawk]

My guess is that Kirk would like to win every game that is played and hurts just as much if not more in the losses than everyone else. Guys like Kirk have internal pressure to succeed.

The only external forces I could see at play are people wanting staff shake ups. My guess is given his 13 years at Iowa and the contract he has through 2020, he won't be pressured into making decisions he doesn't want to make.

Really?

I was under the impression (supplied by Kirk) that "it's just football."

That internal pressure sure doesn't seem to be translating into changing things that have grown stale.

 

[9YRPLAN]

What I don't get then is why aren't they paying the players then. If you want to get down to it.

And to jump your question, why isn't Iowa fighting to get the NCAA to change that policy. The players are the ones who make the money, not KF. I don't go to watch KF. I go to watch the players.

And another thing on HN. All the apologists ever do is talk about execution, execution when things go wrong. If that is what does it, KF deserves very little credit when things go right then. The players are the ones who deserve the recogintion, i.e. show them the money. Most of this success KF had at Iowa is due to player execution not coaching.

huh? i was talking about fund raising, charity, academic success, public relations, etc. KF is an honorable man that makes it easy for the general public to get behind.

imagine if we brought in someone like dana holgerson. sure, there would be initial excitement with his offense and new blood but everything else would suffer big time.

 

[NeilDiamond]

Really?

I was under the impression (supplied by Kirk) that "it's just football."

That internal pressure sure doesn't seem to be translating into changing things that have grown stale.

The only internal pressure I am sure he feels is from his wife in arguing to go to Hawaii over Barbados on the NetJets boondoggle we gave him during his last contract extension.

He certainly does not feel any from GB or anyone in that athletic department. KF runs that show, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. His contract gives him the power to make GB wait outside his office for 45 mins while he drinks coffee and plays hearts with Norm/KOK, only to bring Gary in and immediately kick him out b/c he is upset that he got dealt the *****.

 

[Ihawks61]

i dont mind 7-5 or 8-4 or 9-3 hell i will take a 6-6 team as long as, that team shows some emotion or improvement or beats iowa state and minn, i can not stand to lose to Iowa state yeah sure i grew up in the 80's and remember when the hawkeyes ran 15 in a row on the cyclones. AAAAhhh the good years, yeah sure we hardly ever lost to the crappy teams but then again we hardly ever beat the good ones. That was iowa foot ball then, now we beat good teams and lose to bad teams we are all over the place, lose to good teams and lose to bad teams, what we lack in iowa football right now is on the field general or leadership we will have that next year with morrison, vb, coker. make no doubt iowa wins neb game next year and ends up 9-3 with a birth into the big ten champ game, iowa state wins two in a row at IC next year but 6-2 in conference play with the last game of the year for the legends div champ. atleast this is what i hope with happen or 12-0 would be cool. yeah right.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

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[FalseMirage]

i dont mind 7-5 or 8-4 or 9-3 hell i will take a 6-6 team as long as, that team shows some emotion or improvement or beats iowa state and minn, i can not stand to lose to Iowa state yeah sure i grew up in the 80's and remember when the hawkeyes ran 15 in a row on the cyclones. AAAAhhh the good years, yeah sure we hardly ever lost to the crappy teams but then again we hardly ever beat the good ones. That was iowa foot ball then, now we beat good teams and lose to bad teams we are all over the place, lose to good teams and lose to bad teams, what we lack in iowa football right now is on the field general or leadership we will have that next year with morrison, vb, coker. make no doubt iowa wins neb game next year and ends up 9-3 with a birth into the big ten champ game, iowa state wins two in a row at IC next year but 6-2 in conference play with the last game of the year for the legends div champ. atleast this is what i hope with happen or 12-0 would be cool. yeah right.

You'd take a 6-6 season as long as one of the 6 was against I State? Really? Seriously? Really? Snap out of it! ! !

 

[bcl20]

Really?

I was under the impression (supplied by Kirk) that "it's just football."

That internal pressure sure doesn't seem to be translating into changing things that have grown stale.

Saying "it's just football" could be more of an indication that he sheds the past easily and looks forward. It could mean he doesn't care but based off of how he does his press conferences and considering that line falls in line with it I don't see it that way.

 

[Golfer]

My guess is that Kirk would like to win every game that is played and hurts just as much if not more in the losses than everyone else. Guys like Kirk have internal pressure to succeed.

The only external forces I could see at play are people wanting staff shake ups. My guess is given his 13 years at Iowa and the contract he has through 2020, he won't be pressured into making decisions he doesn't want to make.

Kirk wants to win. No question. So do the players. They are trying, excepting the occasional NFL prospect that is protecting against injury.

No question about this at all.

Kirk's greatest assets' are his loyalty, and being an all around good guy.

Norm Parker needs to go. I didn't say I wanted Norm to go, I said he needs to go. Health reasons alone, and he has already been relieved from his recruiting duties. Kirk won't do it, and I respect him enormously for this.

My best resolution given the relative low salaries of the assistants? Give him a job on the football staff, or athletic department for as long as he wants it, and/or give him a severance package to make up for being underpaid.

We have the resources to hire two great defensive people (who are available right now), both of whom are tremendous recruiters, keeping Norm on, and giving him what he deserves.

Same argument can be made about KoK.

Your last sentence is correct. Kirk runs the AD, not the other way.

 

[NeilDiamond]

Saying "it's just football" could be more of an indication that he sheds the past easily and looks forward. It could mean he doesn't care but based off of how he does his press conferences and considering that line falls in line with it I don't see it that way.

I take it to mean that he thinks it is a reasonable possibility for Iowa to lose to Minny and ISU and every other crap team Iowa plays on its schedule. Crazy Iowa fans like me do not think it is reasonable to lose to these dogs&^t teams given the resources put into the program. KF also seems to believe that all B10 games should come down to the last 2 mintues and each game is really just a 50/50 coin flip and if you lose, well--"thats football".

 

[bcl20]

I take it to mean that he thinks it is a reasonable possibility for Iowa to lose to Minny and ISU and every other crap team Iowa plays on its schedule. Crazy Iowa fans like me do not think it is reasonable to lose to these dogs&^t teams given the resources put into the program. KF also seems to believe that all B10 games should come down to the last 2 mintues and each game is really just a 50/50 coin flip and if you lose, well--"thats football".

I truly believes he has a face that he portrays to the fans and one he portrays to the media. One reason I believe this is because in 09, he talked about not worrying about the BCS but then Iowa released a campaign for Iowa to make the BCS bowl which was backed by Ferentz from what I understand.

I don't think he really believes that losing to Minnesota is acceptable. He is the king of coach speak.

 

[1977Hawkeye]

I don't think he really believes that losing to Minnesota is acceptable. He is the king of coach speak.

I agree with this, but I think what KF doesn't realize is that after doing something like losing to ISU for the 7th time in 13 years, or to Minnesota for the 2nd straight year, saying something like "that's football" is only going to pi$$ a lot of people off, and make people think that he really doesn't care about much more than cashing your paycheck. In the end, it doesn't really matter what the truth is if the fanbase gets the wrong impression. Fans don't want coach speak after an ugly loss.

 

[bcl20]

I agree with this, but I think what KF doesn't realize is that after doing something like losing to ISU for the 7th time in 13 years, or to Minnesota for the 2nd straight year, saying something like "that's football" is going to pi$$ a lot of people off, and make people think that you're really don't care about much more than cashing your paycheck. In the end, it doesn't really matter what KF means when he says these things, if the fanbase gets the wrong impression.

It does and I understand why. I don't think he really cares what the fans think nor does he really need to though.

 

[HawkeyeMHA]

Well Bye - YouTube

i like

 

[GhostofBTT]

I demand the credit due to me for bringing the Curly Bill "Well...Bye" meme here!

 

[GhostofBTT]

OK...here is my attempt at perspective...and blast me if you wish...

I am 39 years old (40 next Tuesday)...and I remember my first Iowa game in 1980...a blistering 5-3 loss to Arizona as I sat in the south end zone with my parents and bunch of drunk adults.

Many times, I heard my parents talk of the 19 years of losing, not with remorse, but almost with reverance for Hawkeye Nation and how the fans continued to support moribound teams and coaching staffs. Remember, Hayden was in Year 2 and the Hawks were still a year away from the Rose Bowl.

Have we reached a point where we are spoiled, for lack of a better term, by the success that this program has achieved in the 30 years since? If you compare with what the generation before us supported, through thick and thin (mostly thin), and what we have the opportunity to support now, can we not gain perspective? An entire generation of Hawkeye fans knew losing and nothing but losing.

How can we define satisfaction? Each year, we expect our beloved Hawks to finish with a winning record. And more years than not, they do. The problem, if there is one, is that our teams teeter on the edge each and every season (another definition might be that they are ALWAYS competitive)...4 losses by 14 points in 2008 was equalized by the heart-pounding drama of an 11-2 season in 2009. When you teeter on the fringe as we see the Hawks do in most seasons, a break here or a break there is the difference between 7-5 and 9-3. I mean, yes, perhaps we know more about this year's squad by PSU, MSU and Nebraska, but a 9-3 team playing on New Year's Day would not be nearly as villified as the 7-5 team that lost heart-breakers to Iowa State and Minnesota.

I guess I may look at perspective differently. I am frustrated, yes...but only because I love the Hawkeyes and like most fans, hurt like they do when they lose and rejoice when they win.

Just my two cents...

In my line of work, we call them spoiled kid problems. It is when a person who didn't contribute to their comfortable lifestyle suddenly complains at the slightest interruption of said cushy lifestyle.

Rather than just enjoy and appreciate the things they have, they complain and demand the things they used to have.

 

[Golfer]

Or, my analogy could be:

I turned my life around. Due to irresponsibility, and other issues I won't go in to, I was poor. As in dirt poor. I changed that also. I had no family assets to back me up.

I strive for more, and I do remember (vaguely) from where I came, and what I had to do in order to turn it all around.

In order to motivate me to change, it usually takes pain. Not as much as younger years. I catch things, and correct them long before the pain is too great. Usually.

Some say today I'm spoiled. Actually, many say this. Some say I'm greedy. I always want more. I say I do, within reason.

I rarely remember, or look back on the old days. It does no good, other than the basic understanding that I needed to make those mistakes, in order to be where I'm at now, with a plan to succeed in the future.

Some, mostly business like persons, treat Iowa football the same way.

It doesn't make us spoiled, or not "real fans".

My past isn't a badge of courage. My present is now, and I look to the future with certain goals (like 8 wins at a minimum, for the 30th largest public school in America, who has resources, and plays 4 non-conference games, and 7 of 12 at home).

 

[GhostofBTT]

I like you Golfer, but that analogy makes no sense.

 

[Golfer]

Well, maybe a better way to put it is: "So what, we used to lose a lot? Why shouldn't we expect more, given the resources that we have now?"

 

[TheAvernus]

Now that the week has begun and I was able to get my mind wrapped around other things...well at least I tried because as like every Monday everyone I know had to talk about the game even those people who have no interest Wed-Fri all the sudden became huge NE fans and they just knew NE was going to win because all the Hawk fans were talking crap blah blah blah. I'm even more overwhelmed with frustration then I was Only because I was all set to forget about and and wait till Bowl selection. I was so overwhelmed with frustration in fact I had to yell at a Nebraska fan at least we didn't lose to Northwestern....only to be reminded about our loss to Minnesota, not to mention this guy also thought Penn St, Michigan, and Indiana were colleges all in the same state....Yes you read that right.(Only a NE fan could think that) All and all I will say this, a lot of radio talk today was about changes no one really said KF needs to go but no one said keep him. I don't really want him to go per-say Im just ready for some changes on both sides of the ball. Kirk has to know history is no indication of the present or future. What once was the way to do things always gets replaced with new innovative ideas. I do think next year will be just as frustrating, but not as overwhelming so, I would not be opposed to KOK being replaced but that's not going to happen and as far as Norm goes I think he deserves to announce his retirement preseason and be given a farewell. If he just retires at season end thats his call of course but knowing before next season seems like a better deal to me. The changes most people are referring to are not complex system wide changes but gearing up to coach a game against the team you are playing is a lot more sound to me than coaching the same style of game week in and week out. You cant win games consistently that way and it often leaves you a prime target for an outside the box and/or sneak play (fake punt, onside kick, etc) With that said I'm going to do what I can do and that's just cheer for the Hawks. KF pressers I wont read or listen to anymore he really just comes off smug and arrogant most of the time. Ask a question he doesn't like and he wont come close to answering it but he will let you know how much he doesn't like you or your question. I wont bother to listen to the after game interview with Dolph either as KF never has anything worth listening to to say win or lose. Now of course I am willing to rethink all this after a 6-0 start to next year but now I guess Im overwhelmed with unlikelihood.... GO HAWKS