HawkeyeShane
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Not sure why you're carrying the flag for the SEC, facts are facts and they basically have cut down days, like the NFL...
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Not sure why you're carrying the flag for the SEC, facts are facts and they basically have cut down days, like the NFL...
If this really mattered to the players they would look at how many signees a school has before they sign but as long has kids don't think before they sign it is their problem not ours. Too many academic scholarships sometimes get offered to kids and sometimes someone loses theirs because of it...I don't see anyone yelling on message boards about that. We are such a country of complainers we complain when things like this happen, fair doesn't mean equal and life means sometimes you end up with the short end...deal with it and make yourself better with the things you go through. These kids are the ones making the decision...The school is just exploiting the system. If there was a flaw in the tax system that allowed you to never pay taxes tell me you wouldn't take advantage of it.
spudhawk
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Wow Foval I totally disagree with you here. A Big Ten school cannot offer more scholarships than they have available. SEC schools routinely offer more than they can. Big Ten schools rarely sign kids who can't qualify, SEC schools routinely sign extra guys to account for the players that won't qualify.
Their is no integrity in the SEC. ESPN won't talk about this on sportscenter because they are threatened by the Big Ten Network and got into bed with the SEC.
Their is no integrity in the SEC. ESPN won't talk about this on sportscenter because they are threatened by the Big Ten Network and got into bed with the SEC.
KnightHawk9
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Are you serious? Did you read the article? Alabama has about 10 seniors and about 4 underclassmen going to the NFL, and yet they're signing 22 guys. This is not due to early draft entrants. I think it's pretty obvious they're forcing guys to leave the program so they can sign new ones.
tm3308
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Students don't lose their academic scholarship just because someone in the next class is smarter than they are. Whether the players are too dumb to realize what's going on is irrelevant. I suppose we should all sucker old folks, just because they aren't sharp enough to catch on? It's not fair to the players, and it's not fair to the schools that actually try and abide by the rules.
tm3308
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14 seniors, plus early entries. Now lets just take a look at that senior class. Now, assuming that they were all in the same recruiting class (probably not, but redshirts aren't noted on the school's website), the numbers don't add up.
They were either members of the 23-member 2006 class, or the 25-member 2007 class. Now do those numbers mesh particularly well? That many guys have left early in the last two years? Or does it maybe have something to do with the 32-, 27-, and 29-member classes that followed them?
thejumper5
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The problem with saying that the kids should know better and not go to schools that are oversigning is that every kid believes he won't be the guy that gets cut. The ones that are cut are almost always totally blind-sided by it. They dominated in football their whole life and now they aren't good enough to make the team. It completely takes them by surprise and they rarely expect it.
On a side note, in EA Sports' NCAA Football, oversigning is definitely the way to go.
On a side note, in EA Sports' NCAA Football, oversigning is definitely the way to go.
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tm3308
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Agree with this 100%. Especially when you're at an SEC school like 'Bama or Auburn. They're pulling in elite prospects, who would be nothing without confidence.
I also agree with your take on NCAA Football
Yep, and it sounds like ISU will be doing it again this year.
Rhoadhoused
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There is a difference between oversigning and signing recruits who then don't qualify or transfer out. We haven't even met the 85 player limit the past 3 years.
This is one of the most ridiculously stupid things I have ever seen on the internet.
Edit: In an earlier post, we pointed out that there appears to be a trend in the state of Alabama with regards to the number of recruits signed. There is no denying the numbers, they are off the charts. Auburn leads all teams in the BCS conferences in the number of LOI's signed (253) since 2002 (this excludes the service academies as they are exempt from limitations). And only three programs outside of the SEC have signed more players than Alabama at 235: Troy University (248) located in the state of Alabama, and two teams from the Big 12, Iowa State (243) and Kansas State (238) [Update: further investigation on Kansas State and Iowa State have revealed that they rely heavily on JUCO players and since JUCO players only have 2 years of eligibility when they arrive it explains why their numbers were high - this is not the case with the Alabama schools].
Even the website that you cited thinks you're retarded.
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Yes it is wrong that they are utilizing these loopholes for their own personal gain. Yet to complain about it without any solutions is just pointless and a waste of time. Instead of worrying about this I will worry about seeing how well Iowa recruits and how well they play. Complaining for the sake of complaining is just annoying to me. Thinking there is some big conspiracy in this makes people sound like those that say we never landed on the moon. People know about this practice they have for awhile, but they are not going to do anything about it because of the money. Let's spend our time picking apart things that are more important.
More important? About the money?
Money has nothing to do with the oversigning issue, none, zero.
As far as its importance, I'd wager that it is the number one issue for Jim Delany.
People that don't think this is an issue worth talking about are either a fan of the SEC or not in touch with reality.
scholarships are 1 year contracts that can be renewed each year up to a maximum. Academic ones work the same way so if someone more qualified comes around you can lose your academic scholarship just like an athletic one. All college athletes and students should know this and if they don't they are naive to how it works and that is their problem. This is coming from someone who had a college scholarship for both sports and academics and I had to get each renewed each year and it was possible for either to be taken away because of not meeting certain requirements or someone better qualified coming along. The money issue is the money that football brings in. As long as the program is making money they won't do anything about it because they are getting so much from these kids.
BTW you do not need to sign a LOI to get an Athletic Scholarship and signing an LOI does not guarantee you will earn an athletic scholarship.
BTW you do not need to sign a LOI to get an Athletic Scholarship and signing an LOI does not guarantee you will earn an athletic scholarship.
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shonblatt
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You just don't get it, man.
If you would like a lesson about how some schools actually honor the commitments made to players, read about Arthur Ray at Michigan State.
Michigan State Player Diagnosed with Cancer Keeps Football Scholarship for 3 Years Oversigning.com
There isn't a chance in hell most of these SEC schools would keep this kid on athletic scholarship. If they'd even have let him come to school at all, they'd have immediately dumped him into a hardship category so that they could reuse the scholly, and ended his career.
Sparty has kept him on scholarship for 3 years under the hopes that he might one day might be healthy enough to play in a game.
This is an extreme case - the SEC will take healthy kids and make them take a medical hardship just to clear the roster space.
These SEC coaches who oversign are scum, and there is no other way to look at it.
Texashawk17
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does not suprise me snake in the grass sec
It's not our job to have a solution for this. Plenty of things are complained about with offering solutions. We expect those in charge to come up with reasonable solutions. It's our job to point out injustices as we see them if those in power refuse to do so.
Academic scholarships are renewed each year and many do lose them. This is said in response to the problem with oversigning all the time. However, academics is an area that translates to college with great success. Those who are smart in high school are almost certainly going to smart in college. Intelligence is something we can accurately measure and we can also accurately assess how each person is likely to do in each class or area of study. No student is ever going to be given an academic scholarship and then a year later the institution sits back and says to themselves, you know, this guy just wasn't that smart after all. They know he or she is smart. They've measured the intelligence of that person and are well aware of his or her potential.
The same is not true with athletics. Just because someone was a good high school QB does not mean he's going to be a good college QB. The games are different. There is no way to accurately measure how one athlete is going to do at the next level. None. Think about the NFL Draft or MLB Draft. Think about all the hits and misses and all the guys who rise and up and become stars that nobody expected to. Intelligence translates to success at higher levels. Athletic ability does not.
As a result, you are offering an athletic scholarship to someone who you know may very well not be the player you hope you are signing. That you messed up in your evaluation or that the player peaked much earlier than one would have hoped is not the student's fault. The student should not be forced to pay the price.
A person on academic scholarship who is not meeting the necessary standards is very likely doing so because he or she is not applying his or herself. That is not true with athletics. That is why these are two entirely different situations and cannot be compared to one another.
The same is not true with athletics. Just because someone was a good high school QB does not mean he's going to be a good college QB. The games are different. There is no way to accurately measure how one athlete is going to do at the next level. None. Think about the NFL Draft or MLB Draft. Think about all the hits and misses and all the guys who rise and up and become stars that nobody expected to. Intelligence translates to success at higher levels. Athletic ability does not.
As a result, you are offering an athletic scholarship to someone who you know may very well not be the player you hope you are signing. That you messed up in your evaluation or that the player peaked much earlier than one would have hoped is not the student's fault. The student should not be forced to pay the price.
A person on academic scholarship who is not meeting the necessary standards is very likely doing so because he or she is not applying his or herself. That is not true with athletics. That is why these are two entirely different situations and cannot be compared to one another.
