deanvogs
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Not sure why you struggle to understand that wins against all teams count. The season consists of non conference games, conference games and a bowl game. Maybe you didn't know, bu they all count.
Overall this decade has been a disaster for Iowa football
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Not sure why you struggle to understand that wins against all teams count. The season consists of non conference games, conference games and a bowl game. Maybe you didn't know, bu they all count.
Fryowa
Administrator
So you’re telling us that non conference wins count towards a conference or division championship?
deanvogs
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No, I've never said that once. Are you telling us that non conference wins don't count or are meaningless?
Disappointing is a really good choice of words when the hawks, with really decent teams, lose so many games, especially at home, to C Mich, weak IA St teams, not strong NW and Purdue teams, etc etc
Fryowa
Administrator
We can go round and round on this till we're blue in the face, and I'm totally cool with us having differing ideas about what wins are more or less important. We both want the Hawkeyes to win every game.
My issue was you saying I was cherry picking numbers when I was totally clear in that other thread that I was showing BF and Nate's record against winning record conference teams (which I believe are the most important games to your season).
"Cherry picking" would have been if I left out the OSU win for example.
I offered stats for a given range of time, and you can take it or leave it. But I didn't leave out any games pertinent to that range or exclude a certain year because we played well at that time.
RobHowe
Administrator
"Overall this Decade Has Been a Disaster for Iowa Football"
Why must some of us go overboard these days, just make discussion so extreme?
I get that people regularly consume Steven A Smith, Colin Cowherd and Skip Bayless types or we wouldn't see their nonsense daily (you can probably tell I don't spend a second of my life listening to their BS), but where did we just decide to scream in the wind and lose all perspective in sports commentary? And why is this what people choose to consume? It's like folks are intentionally avoiding intelligent sports discussion. It's exhausting. Let's use our brains and keep our minds open.
*steps off soap box*
Why must some of us go overboard these days, just make discussion so extreme?
I get that people regularly consume Steven A Smith, Colin Cowherd and Skip Bayless types or we wouldn't see their nonsense daily (you can probably tell I don't spend a second of my life listening to their BS), but where did we just decide to scream in the wind and lose all perspective in sports commentary? And why is this what people choose to consume? It's like folks are intentionally avoiding intelligent sports discussion. It's exhausting. Let's use our brains and keep our minds open.
*steps off soap box*
InGoodCo
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The 90's were a REAL disaster if we're being honest. Dark ages for Iowa football
STLhawkeye20
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Rob, Iowa’s signature accomplishment in this decade is a lone B10 West title during a year where the division was very weak. While you might disagree, it’s not “extreme” for some people to think that the lack of accomplishment this decade is disastrous. Would Iowa’s decade be disastrous by ISU’s standards, or NWs? No. But Iowa’s had three years with senior quarterbacks, NFL talent at multiple positions, and a favorable home schedule. Not winning a single B10 championship this decade, or the equivalent of a “BCS” game, is disastrous. A strong record against cupcakes, a few no-name bowl wins, sporadic meaningless upsets while out of contention, high picks in the NFL draft, and all that other decoration doesn’t change that. Not sure why an argument with substance behind it rises to the level of a Stephen A or Skip opinion. Calling 2000-2010 a disaster would be outrageous.
SteveGarvey1
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We redefine things in our culture all the time these days. The OP has just redefined "disaster". Would hate to think what Rutgers last decade has been in football if the Hawks' decade has been a disaster.
InGoodCo
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2010-2019 - 1 west title - no B1G titles
2000-2009 - 2 BT titles that were "tied" for... so basically or maybe equiv to 1 div title - 1 conf title
1990-1999 - 1 BT titles that was shared with 4 teams... so basically or maybe equiv to 1 div title
1980-1999- 2 BT titles - 1 out right, 1 shared... so basically equiv to 1 conf title and 1 div title
Iowa has basically been here for 4 decades folks. A little better here, a little better there, a lil worse in some spots .... but mostly just a consistent disaster.
STLhawkeye20
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Err...every other decade has at least 1 championship, even if it’s shared. And 2000-2010 had 2 “BCS” appearances (USC and Ga. Tech) with one BCS victory, 2 B10 championships (despite being shared), and an overall better and more meaningful bowl record (Outback wins against Florida, South Carolina; Capital One against LSU)...Quality SEC teams. There’s no comparison between this decade and the last, and the success of 2000-2010 makes this current decade even MORE of a disaster because the success should have been built upon further. Instead, the entire program regressed. You have to evaluate success in context. Iowa hasn’t won anything this decade.
InGoodCo
Well-Known Member
They've won pretty much the same every decade, those #'s absolutely bare that out. We're some decades a shade better? Yeah, I guess...but we're not talking about DOMINANCE vs DISASTER are we?
Stanzi
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Well we won 8 games in 6 of the listed seasons and I personally believe this season will make 7. Plus, what is a no name bowl exactly? So, your argument of 7 wins and a no name bowl is inaccurate on one hand, and arbitrary on the other. I would love to win the conference but there are 14 teams and Iowa is at an inherent disadvantage against Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State.
Stanzi
Well-Known Member
You're a moron. I really don't know how else to put it. Calling this decade a disaster is freaking ridiculous.
InGoodCo
Well-Known Member
And if we're really looking at the last decade of Iowa football. Iowa won the Orange Bowl in 2010. It's 2019 bros, not great at math but, name me another decade they've got something the equivalent to that? They've also beat quality SEC teams in this decade..... they just beat MSU last season. They beat a borderline top 10 team in Missouri in the Insight. They also have wins over # 2 Michigan in 16, #3 Ohio State in 2017, # 5 Michigan State in 2010... so let's not pretend it was all cupcakes.
****disclaimer, this doesn't mean that I am happy with the results, it just means that the last decade hasn't been a disaster, it's been right on par with what Iowa football has been for 40 years, cause it is******
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kicker22
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I've heard the NO NAME BOWL is going to be one of the new bowl games that get added next year once they realize that we simply don't have enough bowl games and need to add more. It'll involve a directional school and one of the two worst teams in the BIG TEN West. So if we use this years records it would be a potential 5-6 win Nebraska team or a 1 win Northwestern team. I'm so pumped I can't wait.
hawkdrummer1
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Dark ages? The team went to 6 bowl games and end the season in the TOP 25 4 times. Apparently you've forgotten the 60s and 70s. The end of the 90s are what you're talking about. Hayden's last year and Kirk's first tilt the scale quite a bit. Take out those two years and the 90s had a 63% winning clip.
Sure those years count too, but looking at the numbers honestly things weren't "dark" until Hayden got sick and the program sagged badly.
