smitharooney
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There is no such call for an official . An official can call a push in the back .
Over-the-back fouls
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smitharooney
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3 seconds is suspended when someone drives to the basket or puts up a shot then it resets . There is also no 3 seconds on a five second throw in or before it takes the team to get the ball across half court . There are quite a few scenarios you can be in the lane longer than 3 seconds
My gawd what a stupid argument about 'over the back'. 'over the back' includes the idea that the person going over the back created too much contact, and excessively pushed their way to the rebound. What is the real term, palming, carrying the ball, or just traveling, it is traveling (stopping your dribble but taking steps) but the same thing that there can be several terms for it.
StanziUSA
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As a former college baseball player myself, I’d like you to show me a rule book outside of the minors/majors where you aren’t required to slide. Ontop of that why would there be a FOUL called “OVER-THE-BACK” but all of the sudden it’s not a foul??? You are either fake news or just confusing
Fryowa
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Lol, how bout I show you a whole bunch of rulebooks? As in any state that uses the NFHS baseball rulebook? (Lemme help ya, it’s almost all of them).
Or the NCAA rule book? But you already know that because you were a “college baseball player yourself,” right?
In no rule book are you required to slide. Ever. In no rule book outside of little league or town kids leagues are you ever automatically out for not sliding. The NFHS and NCAA rule books both explicitly state that you are not required to slide, but that if you make contact with or interfere with a fielder you are called out. The NCAA rule book does state that if you choose to slide during a force ply, and you do not slide in a direct line between the two bases you are out.
But at no time,—whatsoever—are you required to slide, and nowhere in any rule books (in amateur high school or adult baseball) is there an “automatic out” for not sliding. The only out at a base is if you are called out on a tag, force, or interference. Period.
What’s hilarious about this, is that two years ago at the Iowa state baseball officiating clinic we spent over an hour on this topic clarifying it. The reason it had to be clarified is because of a huge rash of douche rocket parents and coaches who don’t know the rulebook from their asses (I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that you fit in this category) complaining about little Jimmy not sliding into 2nd and not getting called out. Looks like we found the guy at HN who doesn’t know the rules either.
As far as your resume credentials of being a “former college baseball player myself,” I can tell you from common experience that it doesn’t mean shit. I also played college ball and that’s as worthless as hen shit on a pump handle, because I know that 0% of college players have ever read the rule books. All we were concerned with was how many chicks were walking by when we were up for BP.
I didn’t know dick about baseball compared to what I thought I did until I studied the rules, and you sure don’t either.
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Fryowa
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And instead of us doing your homework for you, why don’t YOU show US the “over the back” rule? You’re such a brilliant sports mind, and every single rule book in existence is free online, it surely would only take you a couple of minutes to find.
You fucked up by spouting about stupid rules on a message board with tons of registered basketball officials. I am not one so I won’t speak on basketball, but there are enough here to make you look like an idiot without me.
It’d be like me walking into a room full of car mechanics and talking about how to change a transmission. They’d immediately know I was an ignorant blowhard
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Fryowa
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The following was put out by the NFHS on a list of “basketball myths.” A list obviously needed because of armchair refs like yourself.
StanziUSA
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Honestly you’re a dickhead I’d love to meet in a boxing ring who has probably 0 athletic abilities. Feel better coming onto A FREAKING MESSAGE BOARD, calling people fucking idiots and such. You look Like an absolutel asswipe. Why don’t you go get your blood pressure checked before you die of a heart attack soon because you get triggered to easily. Good god you’re annoying
I honestly didn’t read anything your replied with dude to the fact they are all essays. Find something better to do you crying psycho
Ps. If you don’t know the rules of the game you are playing at the college level you “college ball player” you obviously became butt-buddies with the bench and never saw PT or by being on the team did you mean special manager? Clearly your old as shit and times have changed. F off already.
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smitharooney
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I’m a basketball official and I can’t clarify this enough . There is no such call as a reach or over the back for an official but for some reason there are still a bunch of dumbfucks in the stands yelling “ call the reach” and “ over the back”.
HawkGold
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What they are yelling about is reaching and contact with the arm. It's hard to reach in without contact. Always taught to steal with the hand moving away. Moving in and contact is likely and a call more likely. The other argument that isn't called is when the opponent has proper block out position and the player in the back comes down on the player. Therein is a gray area and fans are going to support whichever team their kid is on. There are probably as many dumb officials as a percentage as dumb fans. A number of officials think the forearm is an extension of the ball.
smitharooney
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You can have some minimal contact and it’s not a foul.
They also never call 3 seconds during replays or timeouts
HawkGold
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Of course.
Motigerhawk
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Because there is no contact. But her height allowed her to get the rebound over a smaller player not blocking out in front of her.
There has to be a push for their to be a foul. Then it it is called pushing, not over the back.
You can reach over a player and get a rebound, also. But here come the cat calls.
99topdawg
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Rule 8, Section 4, Article 2.b.2 from the NFHS Rule Book: " Runners are never required to slide, but if a runner elects to slide, the slide must be legal."
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"Over the back" is not a foul. You can go over someone's back without it being a foul, but some don't understand that. There is such a thing as an "over the back foul", but it's just a push from behind as both players go up for a rebound, just like if it was a push from the side, front, etc. Same with "reaching in". It's not a foul...unless there's excessive contact.
StanziUSA
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Clearly by starting this thread I was hoping to clarify whether or not over-the-back is an actual foul and still called. How hard is it for some of you to refrain from name calling/swearing and just say yes or no? Like holy shit you guys literally just exposed who the dickheads are and who aren’t. I’ll take my questions elsewhere because apparently we have fans on here who need their asses kicked.
99topdawg
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The suspended 3 second count is one thing that drives me crazy. So many coaches/officials don't understand it and either call 3 seconds when it shouldn't be called or yell about 3 seconds when it shouldn't be called. It's really not that hard of a call. I've had a lot of officials tell me in passing that they don't really call 3 seconds (right or wrong, I'm fine with that), because most of the time, an advantage isn't being gained by the player, they're just standing down low watching guards pass it around or may not have cleared the lane when they went to the high post. I'm fine with that because I'd like to just see the kids play instead of having whistles disrupt the flow of the game. Not sure if I'm in the minority on that, and I have no problem with officials that call that rule correctly every time it occurs, but I'm a fan of the referees swallowing the whistle and giving them a little subjectivity in their calls.
StanziUSA
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Sliding rule varies state to state. In Wisconsin, it’s a rule that you must slide if the play is close.
StanziUSA
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Why we are talking baseball when I simply asked a question for clarification says a lot about some people on this board...
