OT: Tim Hardaway Jr declares for the NBA Draft

[INTIMIDATORHawk]

AB is a true rarity as in he is a double threat of arrogance and ignorance.

It's obvious that he is a very knowledgeable sports fan. He just overshadows that by being a gigantic D*@%

 

[1hawkeye1]

Just remember John, "you can't hide your point guard in college basketball" (and if Gesell goes down for a very long stretch next season the Hawks are looking at 5th place of worse)

Obviously modifying a Steve Deace famous quote - LOL

Wrong. Marble is an excellent PG. With Uthoff and Jok to fill in at wing we would be fine. If nothing else, this team is deeeeep!

 

[WindsorHawk]

Wrong. Marble is an excellent PG. With Uthoff and Jok to fill in at wing we would be fine. If nothing else, this team is deeeeep!

And I have no problem putting Clemmons out there for 25 to 30 minutes a game if the other 2 are unavailable for whatever reason.

 

[Bigtenchamp]

I expect one of them (GRIII and McGary) 100% one of them goes.... I'd say 75% they both go.

 

[RocknRollface]

Ridiculous. There are a million ways Hardaway can improve. Or are you saying that Marble isn't going to improve much by coming back to Iowa? Then Marble should just leave according to that rationale? Hardaway's draft "stock" might not improve but I think the majority of guys that come back for their senior year get better, assuming that they have a good coach to develop them which not all of them have. Beilien is a good coach and the fact that Hardaway will have to be a more aggressive player next year with Burke gone will only help him.

Also just because his "numbers" (scoring, rebounding, assts) didn't jump much from the previous year, doesn't mean he wasn't a better player. There are only so many shots to go around and he had McGary, Burke, GRIII and Stauskas there as well.

You clearly dont get how the nba thinks.

Would he improve? yes, everyone does at that age. Does it matter? No. A decent improvement by college standards amounts to nearly zero by NBA standards for a guard.

Hardaway is what he is to the NBA. He has potential to be a role player at best and that potential will not change at all with another year of college.

His best bet is to come out now in a weak draft. \

The same thing can be said for Marble. Although Devin actually does have some room for change given his extremely young age for his class and the major difference between the two is Marble would not be drafted at all at this point. He has work to do to even be considered a border line role player.

 

[tm3308]

You clearly dont get how the nba thinks.

Would he improve? yes, everyone does at that age. Does it matter? No. A decent improvement by college standards amounts to nearly zero by NBA standards for a guard.

Hardaway is what he is to the NBA. He has potential to be a role player at best and that potential will not change at all with another year of college.

His best bet is to come out now in a weak draft. \

The same thing can be said for Marble. Although Devin actually does have some room for change given his extremely young age for his class and the major difference between the two is Marble would not be drafted at all at this point. He has work to do to even be considered a border line role player.

This sums it up pretty well. Hardaway is a much more NBA-ready player because he is a more physically developed player than Devyn. While I don't think Devyn will get drafted, he has a lot more potential for growth than Hardaway does.

 

[activebadger]

You clearly dont get how the nba thinks.

Would he improve? yes, everyone does at that age. Does it matter? No. A decent improvement by college standards amounts to nearly zero by NBA standards for a guard.

Hardaway is what he is to the NBA. He has potential to be a role player at best and that potential will not change at all with another year of college.

His best bet is to come out now in a weak draft. \

The same thing can be said for Marble. Although Devin actually does have some room for change given his extremely young age for his class and the major difference between the two is Marble would not be drafted at all at this point. He has work to do to even be considered a border line role player.

I clearly DO understand how the NBA works. As I stated previously, the NBA tends to draft on potential or projected potential. They also look at "measurables" more than almost any other sport i.e. what is a players true height, wingspan, vertical jump, reactive/repetitive jumping ability, speed, etc. I understand all of that. What Jon Miller was implying was that Hardaway had little to gain by returning from an improvement perspective. Now if he said that Hardaway had little to gain from returning to Michigan by a "measurables" perspective that is true, he's not going to get taller than 6-5' to 6-6" (unless he has the guy that does the measuring on Uthoff measure him).

Plenty of players have expanded their games by returning to school as a senior. Some of that is a function of being asked to do things that they weren't asked to do previously. I'm guessing without Burke, Hardaway would be asked to penetrate more, create shots for teammates, post up, etc. Things he might not have been asked to do this season but would be asked to do as a senior.

He's also relatively slight of frame and a summer spent putting on another 10-15 pounds of muscle will also help his game.

 

[activebadger]

It's obvious that he is a very knowledgeable sports fan. He just overshadows that by being a gigantic D*@%

At least this guy recognizes talent when he sees it;-)

I'm guessing if my screen name was "ActiveSpartan" "ActiveNittanyLion" or "ActiveBulldog" then there'd be less animosity. Like Jon Miller, most of you can't see past the Wisconsin jealousy.

 

[vgshwk]

If Gr3 goes I bet Mcgary goes or vice versa. It would be hard to improve your stats with this many star players leaving.

 

[JonDMiller]

At least this guy recognizes talent when he sees it;-)

I'm guessing if my screen name was "ActiveSpartan" "ActiveNittanyLion" or "ActiveBulldog" then there'd be less animosity. Like Jon Miller, most of you can't see past the Wisconsin jealousy.

Take care.

 

[JonDMiller]

GRIII and McGary holding a presser later today...I would wager they will announce they are staying. Gary Harris is also staying at MSU...so Payne for MSU is the last domino as we look to next season.

 

[tm3308]

Take care.

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[RocknRollface]

I clearly DO understand how the NBA works. As I stated previously, the NBA tends to draft on potential or projected potential. They also look at "measurables" more than almost any other sport i.e. what is a players true height, wingspan, vertical jump, reactive/repetitive jumping ability, speed, etc. I understand all of that. What Jon Miller was implying was that Hardaway had little to gain by returning from an improvement perspective. Now if he said that Hardaway had little to gain from returning to Michigan by a "measurables" perspective that is true, he's not going to get taller than 6-5' to 6-6" (unless he has the guy that does the measuring on Uthoff measure him).

Plenty of players have expanded their games by returning to school as a senior. Some of that is a function of being asked to do things that they weren't asked to do previously. I'm guessing without Burke, Hardaway would be asked to penetrate more, create shots for teammates, post up, etc. Things he might not have been asked to do this season but would be asked to do as a senior.

He's also relatively slight of frame and a summer spent putting on another 10-15 pounds of muscle will also help his game.

And none of that would matter to the NBA unless it wasa truly exceptional improvement. A player with any NBA potential is expected to dominate in college as a senior.

The nba is full of guys who are there to be jump shooters that could get to the rim all day in college. Hardaway is never going to be a guy who isolates or runs pick n roll in the nba.

The only area he could really improve his stock would be to significantly increase his defensive game but thats not likely to happen at Michigan where he would be primary offensive player.

Is it impossible he could improve his draft stock, of course not, but with a weak class this year his odds are better coming out now.