OT: Defense; Big 12 defense; ISU defense

[Win5002]

This article written illustrates its important to look at the number of plays and possessions not just the total points and yards. I watched ISU beat OSU Saturday, and I wondered how can you feel good about a defensive performance that gave up 42 points and this illustrates why.

https://cyclonefanatic.com/2018/10/blum-a-defense-of-defense/

The main points is he compared Wisconsin defense of Iowa to ISU vs OSU. The biggest point was OSU had double the number of possessions against ISU that Iowa had against Wisconsin(that's staggering, in some ways that's like playing twice as long of a game). I knew there were a slew of tackles for loss against OSU, 16 tackles for loss including 7 sacks. ISU held OSU to 10 yards or fewer on 10 of those 16 drives.

I'm not saying every B12 defense is good but it helped quantify how it was a good defensive performance on Saturday for the Cyclones.

 

[Win5002]

Don't they average 95 plays because they keep getting first downs? I'm sorry, but I don't care how fast you play...a 3 and out is still a 3 and out.

I guess as a view from the opposite perspective you reference. There is a reason ISU scored 3 against Iowa, but scored 27 against Oklahoma and 48 against Texas Tech? The reason is bad defense.

Its not just because every play is a first down, a lot of it is they get up to the line of scrimmage and snap the ball in a much faster tempo. In ISU vs OSU, OSU had 16 drives but on 10 of the 16 drives ISU stopped OSU for less than 10 yards. Below is an article that talks about the OSU game where ISU gave up 42 pts., the game had double the number of possessions Iowa had vs Wisconsin.

https://cyclonefanatic.com/2018/10/blum-a-defense-of-defense/

 

[Oldmanhawk]

Honestly...ISU has a pretty salty defense. Sure Okie st scored 42 pts but that isnt always a good barometer..why? Because ISU is one of the top defenses in the country in yards per play allowed at like 5 yards per play or something like that. IOwa is at like 4.3 which is elite right now.

Big 12 offense pass a ton and have a lot more plays per game which offers more scoring as well IMO..Dont get me wrong there are plenty of Big 12 defenses that are not good at all.

I’m just glad we played this ISU team during their first game honestly..This Purdy kid looks legit and totally changed that offense. Will see if it was a one time thing or not. I’m kinda surprised Campbell got that defense turned around so quickly in that program especially the Dline which is really hard to recruit at.

It is just 2 different styles of playing..OU was a play away from playing for the NC last year.

 

[SmokeTownHawk]

Honestly...ISU has a pretty salty defense. Sure Okie st scored 42 pts but that isnt always a good barometer..why? Because ISU is one of the top defenses in the country in yards per play allowed at like 5 yards per play or something like that. IOwa is at like 4.3 which is elite right now.

Big 12 offense pass a ton and have a lot more plays per game which offers more scoring as well IMO..Dont get me wrong there are plenty of Big 12 defenses that are not good at all.

I’m just glad we played this ISU team during their first game honestly..This Purdy kid looks legit and totally changed that offense. Will see if it was a one time thing or not. I’m kinda surprised Campbell got that defense turned around so quickly in that program especially the Dline which is really hard to recruit at.

It is just 2 different styles of playing..OU was a play away from playing for the NC last year.

Purdy does look like he can bring it. Remains to be seen how many wins they can chalk up this year but I wouldn't bet against 'em, even this week against West by god Virginia.

 

[Cydkar]

Big 10 football fans rarely understand advanced statistics. It's very strange. PPG scored and PPG allowed are antique stats.
There are teams in both leagues who's advanced stats would surprise you. OU has a shitty defense no matter how you slice it, however.

-Actually, most fans don't understand advance statistics. I shouldn't limit that to Big 10.

 

[Ben Rumson]

I can't stand watching the gimmicky arena football style of the Big 12. People can call the B1G, and especially Iowa, boring, but I will take sound fundamental offense and defense any day. Watching the Big 12 play football is like watching 7th graders play basketball, no fundamentals and the last team to score a bucket before time ends... wins.

I agree if that crap worked so great why isn't the NFL doing it. That's one of the digs against little 12 QB's drafted in nfl is the spread style offense.

 

[uihawk82]

Its not just because every play is a first down, a lot of it is they get up to the line of scrimmage and snap the ball in a much faster tempo. In ISU vs OSU, OSU had 16 drives but on 10 of the 16 drives ISU stopped OSU for less than 10 yards. Below is an article that talks about the OSU game where ISU gave up 42 pts., the game had double the number of possessions Iowa had vs Wisconsin.

https://cyclonefanatic.com/2018/10/blum-a-defense-of-defense/

Your stats are meaningless and the number of possessions per game is meaningless because it just shows that teams are just racing to score quick or throwing a few incompletions in a RPO offense then punting.

I wasnt picking on ISU as I said they have easily a top 3,2, 1 defense in that league which can win a lot of games.

But I have seen the Big 12 games over the last few years and many defenses dont tackle correctly nor do they arm tackle, they try to hand tackle. Can you believe it watch some tape , watch the Dbacks try to just grab some jersey.

This is why their are big plays and quick scores.

iowa just shut out a team with a very good rushing game, a team that put 30+ up on Texas which has one of the better Big 12 defenses.

 

[BryceC]

I agree if that crap worked so great why isn't the NFL doing it. That's one of the digs against little 12 QB's drafted in nfl is the spread style offense.

A little team called the Eagles won the super bowl with Nick freaking Foles running it.

A Big 12 QB running an RPO system in Mahomes is currently off to a record breaking NFL start.

 

[BryceC]

Your stats are meaningless and the number of possessions per game is meaningless because it just shows that teams are just racing to score quick or throwing a few incompletions in a RPO offense then punting.

I wasnt picking on ISU as I said they have easily a top 3,2, 1 defense in that league which can win a lot of games.

But I have seen the Big 12 games over the last few years and many defenses dont tackle correctly nor do they arm tackle, they try to hand tackle. Can you believe it watch some tape , watch the Dbacks try to just grab some jersey.

This is why their are big plays and quick scores.

iowa just shut out a team with a very good rushing game, a team that put 30+ up on Texas which has one of the better Big 12 defenses.

There has been plenty of bad tackling in the Big 10. What games are you watching? OSU, PSU, and Wisconsin sometimes this year have had absolutely atrocious tackling.

 

[Robowe]

There has been plenty of bad tackling in the Big 10. What games are you watching? OSU, PSU, and Wisconsin sometimes this year have had absolutely atrocious tackling.

Come on. This is kind of funny.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

A little team called the Eagles won the super bowl with Nick freaking Foles running it.

A Big 12 QB running an RPO system in Mahomes is currently off to a record breaking NFL start.

Always cute when an entire conference tries to take credit for the talent of one guy.

 

[Robowe]

Always cute when an entire conference tries to take credit for the talent of one guy.

How about that Tom Brady/Drew Brees, huh?

 

[BryceC]

Always cute when an entire conference tries to take credit for the talent of one guy.

I didn't take credit for him. To be honest, I was not excited about him at all as a Chiefs fan and have been very pleasantly surprised. The point was, RPO stuff is in the NFL now.

 

[judzeehawk]

I didn't take credit for him. To be honest, I was not excited about him at all as a Chiefs fan and have been very pleasantly surprised. The point was, RPO stuff is in the NFL now.

Until he gets hurt then it won't be there.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

How about that Tom Brady/Drew Brees, huh?

meaning what? Bryce's comments were clearly defending the "big" 12's offensive approach. The praise for Brady and Brees (with whom Mahomes has one hell of a long way to go to be mentioned in the same sentence) is generic. I rarely see anybody say "See, they prove that the Big Ten offense isn't old school and boring"... a comparable action to Bryce's.

 

[Robowe]

meaning what? Bryce's comments were clearly defending the "big" 12's offensive approach. The praise for Brady and Brees (with whom Mahomes has one hell of a long way to go to be mentioned in the same sentence) is generic. I rarely see anybody say "See, they prove that the Big Ten offense isn't old school and boring"... a comparable action to Bryce's.

Sarcasm was intended. You did see I used the smiley face. I was actually on your side.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

Sarcasm was intended. You did see I used the smiley face. I was actually on your side.

what can I say... the drugs have gotten to me. (all legal, of course...we're talking heavy doses of Dayquil)

 

[THawk122]

Outside of Iowa, Wisconsin, MSU, and maybe Penn State. Dont the rest of the Big 10 run spread offenses?

 

[Stanzi]

Outside of Iowa, Wisconsin, MSU, and maybe Penn State. Dont the rest of the Big 10 run spread offenses?

Since when do Michigan and tOSU run the spread?

 

[99topdawg]

Tackle of the year in the Big 12!!! THAT'S how you do it!!!