OT: Defense; Big 12 defense; ISU defense

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uihawk82

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And as I mentioned to my son a few years ago, if ISU can get any kind of a good defense they can make waves in the Big 12 and that is what Campbell has done. He beat two ranked Big 12 teams last year and one so far this year. Paul Rhoades tried to have a good defense.

I watched just a little bit of ISU vs Okie St Saturday and the difference in the way those teams play defense is pretty apparent.

I saw so many lazy, bad hand tackle (not talking good tackling or even arm tackling, but finger tackling) attempts by Okie St players that it is no wonder the scores are so high.

And it is no wonder the Big 12 is an afterthought in any Top 4 championship talk recently.

What do you think, how do you think the Iowa defense and other top defenses in the Big 10 would fare in the Big 12?

TCU became a top team on their defense, now not so much.
 
I can't stand watching the gimmicky arena football style of the Big 12. People can call the B1G, and especially Iowa, boring, but I will take sound fundamental offense and defense any day. Watching the Big 12 play football is like watching 7th graders play basketball, no fundamentals and the last team to score a bucket before time ends... wins.
 
Yeah, what was that Baylor TCU score a few years ago 70-66 last possession won????

Has a Big 12 team played Bama or Clemson in a postseason game the last 3-4 years? Maybe OU but I would think Bama could put up 100 against a "decent" Big 12 team.

If ISU keeps having decent to above avg defenses then they will be OK. I certainly want the Hawks to always beat ISU but just compare what Iowa's defense did to ISU compared to OU and Okie St.
 
I've been watching my boy's 5-6 grade youth team just roll teams all season to a 6-0 record. It's kind of like watching that, TBO. Not kidding.
 
uihawk82 said:
Yeah, what was that Baylor TCU score a few years ago 70-66 last possession won????

Has a Big 12 team played Bama or Clemson in a postseason game the last 3-4 years? Maybe OU but I would think Bama could put up 100 against a "decent" Big 12 team.

If ISU keeps having decent to above avg defenses then they will be OK. I certainly want the Hawks to always beat ISU but just compare what Iowa's defense did to ISU compared to OU and Okie St.
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OU Played Bama in the Sugar bowl in 2014 and won 45-31.

OU, OSU, and TT have horrible defenses. That is pretty much apparent. The Mike Stoops nepotism era is over at OU now though, be curious to see what they do there with a new guy.

Texas has a very good defense and has for a few years now actually. I think Iowa could be a team like Texas in the Big 12 this year. I think Texas this year is pretty dang good BTW.

You could compare what Iowa's defense did to ISU compared to OU and OSU... you could also compare what ISU's defense did to Iowa vs OU and OSU. It's just a different game in the Big 12.
 
WinOneThisCentury said:
Didn't Okie State score 42? Not many times you talk about good defense when 90 points are scored in the game...but ok.
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Its really weird because ISU had like 16-18 tackles for loss which included 7 sacks in the game. Part of it is they play so fast they get more plays and more possessions in. One TD was off a turnover and the last TD was bad because they let the WR get behind them in a situation they never should have. After the game you didn't feel like the defense played bad but the other team scored 42 pts. Again, I think with the hurry up offense so many more plays are run in the game. As I remember back ISU scored pretty quick on 2-3 possessions, so that doesn't run a lot of clock either.
 
WinOneThisCentury said:
Didn't Okie State score 42? Not many times you talk about good defense when 90 points are scored in the game...but ok.
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Yes it ended at 42 but late into the 4th it was 28 points and it sounded like the announcers were saying ISU defense was causing OSU lots of trouble.

I am just saying 1) the Big 12 defenses are just so bad and 2) ISU might be one of the better defenses that can help them get a couple of extra wins like last year.

ISU got to their bowl game by beating OU and TCU. Their defense halted OU in the 2nd half and I think Gary Patterson and his OC played right into ISU's defense last year.
 
Texas, TCU, ISU, and to some extent KSU are the anomalies of the Big12. I think it makes for fun football, but some people would rather watch 10-7 defensive battles. To each their own.
 
THawk122 said:
Texas, TCU, ISU, and to some extent KSU are the anomalies of the Big12. I think it makes for fun football, but some people would rather watch 10-7 defensive battles. To each their own.
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Well have the game is tackling, stopping the ball carrier, and when you see total lame ass attempts it isnt fun for me to watch. It is not good football.
 
I'm trying to figure out how Texas is ranked the top ten. They do not belong there. I watched Maryland hammer them.

Personally, I think it's wishful thinking. If Texas were to play a top SEC team right now, or Ohio State or Michigan...I think they would get hammered again. The B12 is a terrible defensive conference.
 
uihawk82 said:
Well have the game is tackling, stopping the ball carrier, and when you see total lame ass attempts it isnt fun for me to watch. It is not good football.
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It depends on what team you're rooting for I suppose. If you have zero interest in any team its sloppy football. If Iowa is in a 38-31 shootout (yeah I know what I said) it's fun.
All about perspective.
I'm all for a defensive battle, but it's fun to see a couple good offenses shoot it out too
 
uihawk82 said:
Well have the game is tackling, stopping the ball carrier, and when you see total lame ass attempts it isnt fun for me to watch. It is not good football.
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Let's be honest, there is a lot of bad offensive football in the Big 10 as well, and the pace of play is a lot slower. Again, it's just a different game in the Big 12. There is a reason why ISU held Iowa to 13 points but is allowing 32 per game in the Big 12. It's almost impossible to do otherwise.

Iowa so far averages 68 plays per game.

Texas tech averages 95.
 
BryceC said:
Let's be honest, there is a lot of bad offensive football in the Big 10 as well, and the pace of play is a lot slower. Again, it's just a different game in the Big 12. There is a reason why ISU held Iowa to 13 points but is allowing 32 per game in the Big 12. It's almost impossible to do otherwise.

Iowa so far averages 68 plays per game.

Texas tech averages 95.
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Don't they average 95 plays because they keep getting first downs? I'm sorry, but I don't care how fast you play...a 3 and out is still a 3 and out.

I guess as a view from the opposite perspective you reference. There is a reason ISU scored 3 against Iowa, but scored 27 against Oklahoma and 48 against Texas Tech? The reason is bad defense.
 
...and what I'd like to know is how some trolling got A HAWKEYE FORUM talking about ISU (remember you can't spell d*#^ISU#k^er without ISU) and the BIG 8/12/howevermany DEFENSES...WHICH DON'T EXIST?!?!?!?!?
 
WinOneThisCentury said:
I guess as a view from the opposite perspective you reference. There is a reason ISU scored 3 against Iowa, but scored 27 against Oklahoma and 48 against Texas Tech? The reason is bad defense.
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So would you say the Big 10 is full of bad offenses? I mean the truth is likely in the middle somewhere.
 
20181010_185021.jpg 20181010_185004.jpg 20181010_190423.jpg I kept thinking about this topic so...
These are the 2017 point and yards per game.
I dont think theres as big a gap as some might think. It is indeed a different style of ball, but I think some people are just stuck in the big10 vs big12 thinking and not actually looking at the numbers.

Edit: I also added the SEC numbers, all 3 conferences are very similar.
 
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