Only 3 players...

I know they were hurt the first game but whatever happened to Jordan Lomax and Nico Law?
 
hawkfarmer said:
When Weisman is your tailback you have major issues at the position. James White, Melvin Gordon and Clement are all head and shoulders above Weisman. The only D1 quality RB is Daniels and he is really green.

I'm just fed up with Greg Davis. Let's see, the 3 TE set killed the buckeyes, but now we have used it once and someone might see it so let's go back to something they have seen for over a decade and see if we can surprise them. The game plans are just puzzling to me and the lack of adjustments is horrible.

Also, I say every game that Miller is horrible, he's another non-D1 player playing, but it is what it is, it's KF. FYI, not all 11th hour small town safety scholly offers are equal (both Lowdermilk and Miller were late late offers, very fall back, and neither have shown worthy of starting in the B1G, IMO)
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Your lack of football knowledge is obvious.
 
We are getting about all there is to get from Powell and Daniels for now. I do hope both can grow a lot in the off season. Not to sure about Powell. I would like to see more of Canzari. Havent seen enough to have a opinion on him. Not going to touch the Miller thing except to say anyone who would boo him is a Oh cant say that on here
 
Hawknick said:
The Tanner Miller QQ is getting old. He has had 2 pretty good games. 9 tackles against the mildcats, he ha had a critical interception against the bad-gers. He has 3 interceptions already this year! He even hurried the bad-ger qb on a safety blitz that resulted in an incomplete pass. The guy has worked hard through 2 changes in db coach, all this after being lightly recruited. We all should be proud of how he has persevered, and become a good player.
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That interception on Saturday was served up on a silver platter. He didn't have to do anything but camp under it. You can argue that he's had two good games if you want (I'd give him the Northwestern game, but he didn't play well on Saturday), but the bottom line is that we've played nine games already and he's stunk it up in nearly all of them. He's not a good player at all.
 
Hawknick said:
The Tanner Miller QQ is getting old. He has had 2 pretty good games. 9 tackles against the mildcats, he ha had a critical interception against the bad-gers. He has 3 interceptions already this year! He even hurried the bad-ger qb on a safety blitz that resulted in an incomplete pass. The guy has worked hard through 2 changes in db coach, all this after being lightly recruited. We all should be proud of how he has persevered, and become a good player.
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He has been bad. He doesn't hit and lets the wr get behind him all the time. That INT against WI is noting to brag about. My 10 yr old daughter could have caught that.
 
Clark said:
If he doesn't get cheered, I'd be very disappointed in our fanbase. I think he's played terribly, but he is a Hawkeye and you don't boo your own players.
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Nobody should ever boo a kid who works his a$$ off for 4 yrs and represents the university and state. Regardless of his play a kid never should be boo'd unless he does something dirty.
 
I did not even mention the wmu game. That may have been Tanner's best. It looked to me like he was in the right place, and was making great plays for tye entire half. His hit against their TE was both hard and perfectly timed to breakup the pass. He also made a lot of key plays against mizzu state.
 
tm3308 said:
That interception on Saturday was served up on a silver platter. He didn't have to do anything but camp under it. You can argue that he's had two good games if you want (I'd give him the Northwestern game, but he didn't play well on Saturday), but the bottom line is that we've played nine games already and he's stunk it up in nearly all of them. He's not a good player at all.
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I won't boo Miller, but he is not a very good D1 football player. I used to defend KF and say that he always puts the best guys on the field and it's foolish to say otherwise. I'm starting to think I was wrong. I'm not sure what the formula is, but if he is the best guy we have, then recruiting is a MAJOR issue at the safety position.
 
DJL said:
I won't boo Miller, but he is not a very good D1 football player. I used to defend KF and say that he always puts the best guys on the field and it's foolish to say otherwise. I'm starting to think I was wrong. I'm not sure what the formula is, but if he is the best guy we have, then recruiting is a MAJOR issue at the safety position.
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I definitely won't boo him (not that I'm going to be at the game, anyway); I've never done that to an Iowa player and never will unless a Pierre Pierce-type makes it to Senior Day. But I also have a hard time believing Miller is truly our best option at that position. I could live with it if he were more like a Pagel or Greenwood; a guy who maybe doesn't have the highest level of athleticism but makes up for it with smarts and instincts. Miller's got decent athleticism, but he doesn't run the 3.7 40 that he needs in order to make up for his ridiculous mistakes in coverage.

That's why Lowdermilk has become serviceable over the last couple months. He's not any kind of freak athlete and will never wow you, but he's becoming much more sound in knowing where he's supposed to be and isn't making a lot of mental mistakes anymore. That puts him in position to make solid, if unspectacular plays for the defense. And really, that's all that should have to be asked of him right now. But Miller is a three-year starter and a senior. He should be held to a higher standard and he isn't meeting it. Not even close.
 
Hawknick said:
I did not even mention the wmu game. That may have been Tanner's best. It looked to me like he was in the right place, and was making great plays for tye entire half. His hit against their TE was both hard and perfectly timed to breakup the pass. He also made a lot of key plays against mizzu state.
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So two of his three best games have come against absolutely horrid competition? That's the standard we should be holding a senior, three-year starter to. He gets an A now.
 
Hawknick said:
The Tanner Miller QQ is getting old. He has had 2 pretty good games. 9 tackles against the mildcats, he ha had a critical interception against the bad-gers. He has 3 interceptions already this year! He even hurried the bad-ger qb on a safety blitz that resulted in an incomplete pass. The guy has worked hard through 2 changes in db coach, all this after being lightly recruited. We all should be proud of how he has persevered, and become a good player.
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Huh? He allowed the Wisconsin tight end to get behind him for a touchdown. And his postgame response was pretty funny. Something to the effect that their guy beat our cornerback (King) somehow. (Miller was right there but nevertheless useless because he was turned in the wrong direction). I guess Tanner forgot what the title of his position implies. But booing a college player especially on Senior Day is just plain wrong.
 
hawkfarmer said:
When Weisman is your tailback you have major issues at the position. James White, Melvin Gordon and Clement are all head and shoulders above Weisman. The only D1 quality RB is Daniels and he is really green.

I'm just fed up with Greg Davis. Let's see, the 3 TE set killed the buckeyes, but now we have used it once and someone might see it so let's go back to something they have seen for over a decade and see if we can surprise them. The game plans are just puzzling to me and the lack of adjustments is horrible.

Also, I say every game that Miller is horrible, he's another non-D1 player playing, but it is what it is, it's KF. FYI, not all 11th hour small town safety scholly offers are equal (both Lowdermilk and Miller were late late offers, very fall back, and neither have shown worthy of starting in the B1G, IMO)
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hawkfarmer said:
Please explain? Do you not like my call the GD doesn't know what he's doing? Or are you of the mindset that Weisman should win the Heisman?
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Haha, sorry I meant to comeback and explain...

I take issues with several points from your post.

- Weisman is certainly not a Heisman candidate, but you can't argue with the results he has had this far in his career. A healthy Hebrew Hammer is a deadly one.

-I would argue that Bullock is a better all around D1 back at this point in his career than Daniels. Daniels has more upside, but (as you mentioned, is too green) Bullock runs well, has decent vision, is terrific receiving out of the backfield, and is very good in pass protection.

-I will agree with you on the in game adjustments, which are lacking, but the initial game plans have been pretty darn good. The 3 TE sets worked well vs OSU, but Wisky took our TE's out of the game. Obviously their defensive gameplan was to have Ruddock and the rec's beat us.

- the offense lost Saturdays game, not he gameplan. I normally don't call players out specifically; but I will say Ruddock had 3 terrible overthrows in the first half, KMM had two drops, TSmith had two drops, Powell had a drop. The play calling was a pretty good mix.

- As for Miller, he has been caught with his eyes in the backfield a few times this year, but he is far from as bad as people suggest. He is a hitter out there in run support, and he is tied for the team lead in interceptions. We have played a lot of 1 deep coverage which outs added strain on the secondary, and we've been burned on it several times.
 
Holy crap fellas, this became an Entire Thread calling out a Player ! I don't care if a kid struggles....Stop! If for no other reason other than its a board rule.

I value a few of your opinions...but come on.
 
Miller is a regular target but people must not know much if they think he is bad. DBs get beat once in awhile. It happens even in the NFL the best players get beat. He is not perfect but he has had a pretty good senior year.
 
Eda said:
Haha, sorry I meant to comeback and explain...

I take issues with several points from your post.

- Weisman is certainly not a Heisman candidate, but you can't argue with the results he has had this far in his career. A healthy Hebrew Hammer is a deadly one.

-I would argue that Bullock is a better all around D1 back at this point in his career than Daniels. Daniels has more upside, but (as you mentioned, is too green) Bullock runs well, has decent vision, is terrific receiving out of the backfield, and is very good in pass protection.

-I will agree with you on the in game adjustments, which are lacking, but the initial game plans have been pretty darn good. The 3 TE sets worked well vs OSU, but Wisky took our TE's out of the game. Obviously their defensive gameplan was to have Ruddock and the rec's beat us.

- the offense lost Saturdays game, not he gameplan. I normally don't call players out specifically; but I will say Ruddock had 3 terrible overthrows in the first half, KMM had two drops, TSmith had two drops, Powell had a drop. The play calling was a pretty good mix.

- As for Miller, he has been caught with his eyes in the backfield a few times this year, but he is far from as bad as people suggest. He is a hitter out there in run support, and he is tied for the team lead in interceptions. We have played a lot of 1 deep coverage which outs added strain on the secondary, and we've been burned on it several times.
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You say that I don't know about football but then come with this?
Ok as far as Weisman, yes he is a decent back against Minnesota and Iowa State, but he is not a serviceable B1G back. I like his hard running ability, but unless the hole is big he is going to go 3 yards and a cloud of dust. I think he's ok, but he's not the type of RB that should be starting at Iowa. I think he would make a phenomenal Fullback though.

I wouldn't argue that Daniels is better than Bullock right now, granted we get to see Daniels for about 3 plays/game so it is hard to tell. The biggest thing is that Daniels is very green right now, and not once did I call for him to be the starting RB, but I said I think he's the only one that has the talent to be a D1 Rb. As far as Bullock, I think you are wrong on his vision. Too often he tries to pop it back outside when a cut back would be far better and the lane is there. The last 2 games have been better, but up until that he would miss open lane after open lane. I have no problem with Bullock because I don't believe he was recruited to be a Rb but a slot WR and I wish that a few other Rbs would have stayed so Bullock could be there.

How can you say Wisky took the TEs out of the game? Maybe they took CJF out, but what Hamilton and Duzey woudl have been in there as well? You don't know that because they never used the 3 TE set.

To your last point, I agree that the players are the biggest issue for execution, but the play calling is predictable. Everyone, and I mean everyone, including my unborn child (3 weeks!) knew Weisman was going to get the ball on 4th and 1. play action boot would have been great, something. Also, the second half was brutal, just no creativity and too many stretch plays with Weisman.

Finally, to conclude on the Rbs, I think Iowa's group of Rbs are subpar for a B1G school, but they do well with what they have. However, could you imagine this offense with Melvin Gordon (former Iowa commit), James White (heavily recruited by Iowa, but took Deandre Johnson instead), Mikail McCall even. I would love to see what a quality D1 Rb could do behind Iowa's OL.
 
Eda said:
Haha, sorry I meant to comeback and explain...

I take issues with several points from your post.

- Weisman is certainly not a Heisman candidate, but you can't argue with the results he has had this far in his career. A healthy Hebrew Hammer is a deadly one.

-I would argue that Bullock is a better all around D1 back at this point in his career than Daniels. Daniels has more upside, but (as you mentioned, is too green) Bullock runs well, has decent vision, is terrific receiving out of the backfield, and is very good in pass protection.

-I will agree with you on the in game adjustments, which are lacking, but the initial game plans have been pretty darn good. The 3 TE sets worked well vs OSU, but Wisky took our TE's out of the game. Obviously their defensive gameplan was to have Ruddock and the rec's beat us.

- the offense lost Saturdays game, not he gameplan. I normally don't call players out specifically; but I will say Ruddock had 3 terrible overthrows in the first half, KMM had two drops, TSmith had two drops, Powell had a drop. The play calling was a pretty good mix.

- As for Miller, he has been caught with his eyes in the backfield a few times this year, but he is far from as bad as people suggest. He is a hitter out there in run support, and he is tied for the team lead in interceptions. We have played a lot of 1 deep coverage which outs added strain on the secondary, and we've been burned on it several times.
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Forgot on your last post about Miller. I grew up 20 minutes from the kid, know his family, but he is not a D1 safety. He has not played well. He is undisciplined in coverage and has missed more than a few assignments. I don't think he's a hitter in run support. He makes some tackles, but he's not laying the fear of God into anyone by any stretch. I don't think he's the worst safety ever as many have implied, but he's not good. When the only 2 games that someone can point out to being good games are Mizzou St. and WMU that should tell you something.
 
Wis. did have a good game plan for taking our TEs out of the game.
hawkfarmer said:
You say that I don't know about football but then come with this?
Ok as far as Weisman, yes he is a decent back against Minnesota and Iowa State, but he is not a serviceable B1G back. I like his hard running ability, but unless the hole is big he is going to go 3 yards and a cloud of dust. I think he's ok, but he's not the type of RB that should be starting at Iowa. I think he would make a phenomenal Fullback though.

I wouldn't argue that Daniels is better than Bullock right now, granted we get to see Daniels for about 3 plays/game so it is hard to tell. The biggest thing is that Daniels is very green right now, and not once did I call for him to be the starting RB, but I said I think he's the only one that has the talent to be a D1 Rb. As far as Bullock, I think you are wrong on his vision. Too often he tries to pop it back outside when a cut back would be far better and the lane is there. The last 2 games have been better, but up until that he would miss open lane after open lane. I have no problem with Bullock because I don't believe he was recruited to be a Rb but a slot WR and I wish that a few other Rbs would have stayed so Bullock could be there.

How can you say Wisky took the TEs out of the game? Maybe they took CJF out, but what Hamilton and Duzey woudl have been in there as well? You don't know that because they never used the 3 TE set.

To your last point, I agree that the players are the biggest issue for execution, but the play calling is predictable. Everyone, and I mean everyone, including my unborn child (3 weeks!) knew Weisman was going to get the ball on 4th and 1. play action boot would have been great, something. Also, the second half was brutal, just no creativity and too many stretch plays with Weisman.

Finally, to conclude on the Rbs, I think Iowa's group of Rbs are subpar for a B1G school, but they do well with what they have. However, could you imagine this offense with Melvin Gordon (former Iowa commit), James White (heavily recruited by Iowa, but took Deandre Johnson instead), Mikail McCall even. I would love to see what a quality D1 Rb could do behind Iowa's OL.
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PeoriaHWKI said:
Nobody should ever boo a kid who works his a$$ off for 4 yrs and represents the university and state. Regardless of his play a kid never should be boo'd unless he does something dirty.
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They're the same breed of moron that cheered when Matt Shaub left the game with an injury.
 
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