Oliver Martin update

The Hawkeyes need him. Versus ND? Playing for Kelly? He can catch a lot of passes from Stanley over the next 3 years.
 
The best receivers run good routes and have good hands. A 4.57 guy can get open and run after catch about as well as a 4.43 guy.
 
SteveGarvey1 said:
The best receivers run good routes and have good hands. A 4.57 guy can get open and run after catch about as well as a 4.43 guy.
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Having the speed is the easiest way to get open. The speed to catch the long shots downfield and 'T. Smith' them for a TD. Having the speed, after getting open, to catch an intermediate route, make a man miss and outrun the rest of the field is also an easy way of scoring

The article this thread is based on, the Howe article, mentions former Hawkeye receivers KMM and McNutt as mentors to Oliver. The article also mentions the 2 former Hawkeyes imparted knowledge from training camps and NFL experience that I took to mean knowledge learned by the 2 outside of Iowa training camps and teaching experience. Maybe Howe could elaborate on this. I'm also wondering if Martin has a leg up on comprehending Greg Davis pass patterns since his mentors McNutt and KMM are former NFL, albeit brief, receivers and they've had NFL experience finding the soft spot in pass defenses and being on the same page as the QB to be open just like a Davis pass offense. Not enough Hawkeye fans (and recruits, I guess) take note that Davis' passing offense can be a stepping stone to receiving in the pros.

Jerry rice
 
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HomerChampless said:
Having the speed is the easiest way to get open. The speed to catch the long shots downfield and 'T. Smith' them for a TD. Having the speed, after getting open, to catch an intermediate route, make a man miss and outrun the rest of the field is also an easy way of scoring

The article this thread is based on, the Howe article, mentions former Hawkeye receivers KMM and McNutt as mentors to Oliver. The article also mentions the 2 former Hawkeyes imparted knowledge from training camps and NFL experience that I took to mean knowledge learned by the 2 outside of Iowa training camps and teaching experience. Maybe Howe could elaborate on this. I'm also wondering if Martin has a leg up on comprehending Greg Davis pass patterns since his mentors McNutt and KMM are former NFL, albeit brief, receivers.and they've had NFL experience finding the soft spot in pass defenses and being on the same page as the QB to be open just like a Davis pass offense. Not enough Hawkeye fans (and recruits, I guess) take note that Davis' passing offense can be a stepping stone to receiving in the pros.

Jerry rice
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Having speed is a bonus but give me a 4.57 receiver with good hands and route running over a 4.4 guy with average hands and route running.
 
SteveGarvey1 said:
Having speed is a bonus but give me a 4.57 receiver with good hands and route running over a 4.4 guy with average hands and route running.
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Everyone wants to use Jerry Rice as an example of a slow receiver that made it big in the pros but no one wants to say what Rice had to endure to become the best.

(1)He had to find the soft spots in the coverage. For example, have Rice run a static pattern (that the defense knows as well) and I bet it would be a less than 50 percent proposition that Rice would receive the ball.
(2)He has to be on the same page as the QB. Goes without saying if he's trying to find the soft spots.
(3)He has to work and practice like a dog. Like no other dog known to man.

A speedy receiver like Wallace of Baltimore - formerly of Pittsburgh - or that little guy on Kansas City has it easy. Just throw them the ball and let them outrun everyone else. How many like those two receivers will emerge? A receiver has to be taught how to get open and be on the same page as the QB. Then he can be as slow as Jerry Rice 'cause Rice proved it.

And that is Davis' passing offense. IMO, a stepping stone to the pros. You hear me, Oliver?
 
Only Homer can take a positive thread about a big time recruit and turn it into a turd.

Let's see if we can fix this. Martin would be a huge get, taking a skill player and wining a recruiting battle over a Michigan nad Notre Dame would be huge!!!
 
I would say being able quickly cut and change direction is way more important than 40 time for getting open.
 
40 times can show you something but is equally misleading. It CAN show comparison speed, but how often do you see someone run 40 yards untouched?

I ran a 4.9 forty back in the day and I am the best athlete I've ever met. We would have won state if coach put me in the game.
 
ShockHawk22 said:
40 times can show you something but is equally misleading. It CAN show comparison speed, but how often do you see someone run 40 yards untouched?

I ran a 4.9 forty back in the day and I am the best athlete I've ever met. We would have won state if coach put me in the game.
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Seriously though, you're right about 40 times, they are a bit overrated. I can almost guarantee you Vandeberg doesn't run a 4.4, but finds more holes in the defense than swiss cheese.
 
You guys are silly.

"The only thing that matters in a receiver is his blocking ability and crew cut hair style." Kirk iknowmorethanickebutlessthandeano Ferentz
 
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Joshbrown said:
You guys are silly.

"The only thing that matters in a receiver is his blocking ability and crew cut hair style." Kirk Iknowmorethanickebutlessthandeano Ferentz
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IgoogledNickDeano(Dean)andcameupwithsomeYouTubeclipsofaUFCfighter,thatnickedean?
 
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HomerChampless said:
And, here, I thought you hated Greg Davis' passing offense...Boy, I was wrong.
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Was Vandeberg not our best receiving option without a doubt? Don't get me wrong, I hate GD's passing scheme, but while we still had MVB this year there was at least some success with it.Once he got hurt is when it went down the toilet.
 
HomerChampless said:
Having the speed is the easiest way to get open. The speed to catch the long shots downfield and 'T. Smith' them for a TD. Having the speed, after getting open, to catch an intermediate route, make a man miss and outrun the rest of the field is also an easy way of scoring
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I seem to recall Leshun Daniels doing this quite a few times this year. What is his 40? I'm guessing sub 4.4...
 
BVHawk95 said:
Was Vandeberg not our best receiving option without a doubt? Don't get me wrong, I hate GD's passing scheme, but while we still had MVB this year there was at least some success with it.Once he got hurt is when it went down the toilet.
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VDB isn't that physical of a receiver. Doesn't have elite jumping ability. Doesn't have elite speed, although I'd say speed was one of his better characteristics. That and catching the ball. Can't really muscle for the 50-50 balls.

What VDB does know is Davis' system. Finding the holes in the pass defense.
VDB will probably have to become more acquainted with Iowa's next QB, though.

How does this all fit in with the recruitment of Oliver Martin? Martin doesn't have elite speed so speed won't get him open. Knowing the holes in the defense will.

Come to Iowa, Oliver. Learn Davis' pass system and learn how to become an NFL receiver.
 
deanvogs said:
Some rumblings out there as well that Michigan is no longer after Martin, or were slow playing him anyway. Think it is down to Iowa and Notre Dame at this point.
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That's big time if it's true. Also to the 40 yd dash people, that is borderline meaningless in terms of WR nowadays. It can certainly help your stock at the combine but there are way more important things out there besides straight line speed like route running and creating separation
 
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