FirstDownHawkeyes
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JC is going to be just fine. He can load up again this weekend because the bye is coming. LD will likely be back and ready to roll after the bye, too.
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JC is going to be just fine. He can load up again this weekend because the bye is coming. LD will likely be back and ready to roll after the bye, too.
You're basing this off what? Clearly not past injury experience.
Edit: not saying you're wrong, just don't believe history is in your favor.
HomerChampless
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Why you hatin' on Greg Davis so? Maybe these plays can be run with a back who hits the holes faster, has as good of vision and has greater speed than a fullback/halfback? Now, the fullback/halfback would be KF's contribution...
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hawkeyebob62
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OK, while everyone is revising history, don't forget that counter-trap/back-cut play was getting stuffed all first half. When Smoot beat J Daniels a couple times, THAT left the opening (and mega-kudos to BF, GD, JCB for seeing it). The Illini Dline outsmarted themselves and over-committed.
If you had told the Illini Dline that play was coming, they never would have believed it. But Smoot went straight-a&& upfield again, and probably didn't even realize it was a run play until he heard the crowd and looked back downfield 5 seconds later. It was beautifully run and brilliantly timed.
The 4th-quarter running spree was just BF/GD/Oline saying, "Boys-from-Illinois, we know where you aren't, now". The J. Smith drop on 3rd down is about the only thing that kept it from being 30-20 before the Illini drive where Vaughn fumbled. We probably COULD have run out the clock after that fumble, otherwise.
If you had told the Illini Dline that play was coming, they never would have believed it. But Smoot went straight-a&& upfield again, and probably didn't even realize it was a run play until he heard the crowd and looked back downfield 5 seconds later. It was beautifully run and brilliantly timed.
The 4th-quarter running spree was just BF/GD/Oline saying, "Boys-from-Illinois, we know where you aren't, now". The J. Smith drop on 3rd down is about the only thing that kept it from being 30-20 before the Illini drive where Vaughn fumbled. We probably COULD have run out the clock after that fumble, otherwise.
hawkeyebob62
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And yes, I am flat-out admitting GD/BF called a great game, the players just had a few execution issues that kept it from being a larger margin.
hawkfan2679
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I might have to watch again, but I didn't see any counter action. Looked like a single back lead play with the PSTE man blocking the DE and the BSG pulling around as the "lead". But because Illinois over-pursued so badly they left the backside wide open (and actually, that play went through the strong side A gap) and Canzeri was off to the races.
Having said that, the actions of the true freshman at RT lead me to believe we could have been trying to block it as a designed cutback to take advantage of over-pursuit. The extra man at the "projected" point of attack strengthens that notion.
HomerChampless
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I've heard a few times (I think Canzeri gave credit) that CJ audibled to a play that eventually became the 75 yard TD. But that audible went to the weak side and was cutback to the strong side after the weak side was stacked up..
Was it some sort of sucker play? Having Iowa linemen and CJ slant to the weak side of the field on a stretch play that normally happened during an audible just to cut it back to the strong side after every Illini had overrun?
Was it some sort of sucker play? Having Iowa linemen and CJ slant to the weak side of the field on a stretch play that normally happened during an audible just to cut it back to the strong side after every Illini had overrun?
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ColoradoHAWKEYE
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IIRC, that cutback lane was there more than a couple of times (leading up to the 75 yd run) on plays that JC still got 7-10 yds on by following blockers into traffic.
On one running play from about the Illinois 6-7 yard line, cant remember what series, there was a huge cutback hole to Canzeri's left off left tackle but he went right for little gain. So as someone just posted yes there were some other big holes or cutbacks out there.
the hawks definitely left a bunch of points on the field and it could have been a 41-20 type score.
the hawks definitely left a bunch of points on the field and it could have been a 41-20 type score.
Bigtenchamp
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The amazing thing about all of this is that we are doing this with a really limited stable of Running backs... this is quite different then the past handful of years.
Bigtenchamp
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I still am not sold on Daniels..
Even before the injury going back to when he was healthy...
He just has no explosion and for his size does not break many tackles.
We need someone else to step up.
Even before the injury going back to when he was healthy...
He just has no explosion and for his size does not break many tackles.
We need someone else to step up.
Bigtenchamp
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That's a product of our zone blocking scheme...
Just have to have HB's with the vision to see the lane and the guts to take it.
atxhawk
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There were some good coaching adjustments in that game. Illinois was getting quite a bit of penetration off of the edge and JC was hit several times immediately after getting the ball. At one point JC had 16 carries for a mere 30 yards, 2 carries later it was 18 for 74.
HomerChampless
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Yes, I understand zone blocking and waiting for holes to develop then bursting through them. What I was getting at was someone has credited some fantastic blocking scheme on that play. That some coach called (and created) this fantastical play for the 75 yard run. I'm saying the play happened by accident, if you will. That the original play was supposed to be a zone stretch to the short side of the field (according to Iowa lore, most of the time running plays go that way after a check down is called), the defense anticipated normalcy and slanted to the short side, the left side, and after seeing the left side bottled up Canzeri cut it back to the right side and out ran every Illini that over ran the play.
A coach didn't call the fantastic result. A coach didn't scheme the exact fantastic result. CJ didn't check down to the fantastic result - the checkdown was to go to the other side of the line. It was a product of zone blocking. Canzeri was gifted and fast enough to see the opening on the other side of the line and execute the 75 yard run after most every Illini had over run the play after,IMO, anticipating the stretch run to the short side of the field.
We want the running back most capable of letting the play develop, seeing the open lanes and cutting through them. From other's reports Canzeri missed other opportunities in the Illinois game but he seems to be the best RB at this, IMO. The well executed results of zone blocking can be dramatic at times...we witnessed it.
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hawkfan2679
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Per my above post I went back and watched it again and I'm not so sure that it wasn't a predetermined cutback. So while unless someone actually asked one of the coaches the play call, we're all speculating but I think I'd be inclined to disagree with you.
Watch the LT and the RG - If we're running zone, the LT isn't going to step to his inside gap and stay on the double team that long. Unless it's pin and pull, the LT isn't going to block down at all. Re: the RG, a backside guard pull on an outside zone play is a very difficult block for a G to make...if it were inside zone, that's a do-able block, but Walsh's path takes him all the way to the strongside C gap, which eliminates outside zone as an option.
Watch the C and RT - If we're zoning these two guys aren't looking to work so hard to create a backside seal. They're looking to rip and climb to the second level....actually the RG would most likely have attempted to cut that 1 technique DT while the C could have almost immediately climbed to the backer.
So what you essentially have is nothing more than an influence pull from the RG. LB's keys are usually to first read the guards then the near back. As the Mike backer (lined up in a strongside 10 technique [1 technique, but at LB depth]), you see downblock/double by the G/T, near back going playside with a pulling guard coming with him, you are stepping up and filling the hole, which he did...except doing so took him way out of his run gap responsibility (playside A...he took on Walsh's block in playside C). That left the backside open because the Will, who was in a weak 30 technique, gets the double team pushed back into his lap, he loses visibility into the backfield and Canzeri runs right by him. Illinois had an extra guy in the gap because the SS came down late into run support...untouched I might add. But he was untouched because putting two guys in the playside C left playside A wide open...kudos to Canzeri for seeing it and then giving us flashbacks to his highlight tapes coming out of high school turning on the jets for 6.
So I'm torn...to me it was either a designed lead pull play and Canzeri read it nicely or the backside seal was by design and the pull was meant to do exactly what it did...flow the backers so that Canzeri could use his vision to make a play. And I think I'm leaning a little more towards the latter...
Pure speculation on my part though...
Billso
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Thanks for the reminder: http://www.scout.com/player/147516-jordan-canzeri/videos/882871?year=2014&s=143
skinnykilmer17
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OMG. I have never seen that highlight reel. Those are some sick runs. Especially the few where he totally reverses field.
You don't coach that. Pure natural ability and great vision. And such a burst.
It is really too bad he hasn't been healthy for all four years. He would have had a real chance for multiple career records.
He is having a phenomenal year. Much deserving and much credit to Jordan for his perseverance.
RocknRollface
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Overall this Oline is not nearly as good as last year. The interior yes, slightly, but I would gladly trade it for last years for pass protection.
The he main difference is everything else.
The he main difference is everything else.
hawkeyebob62
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It also got stuffed a ton of times in first half. If you had said at halftime, "Canzeri's going for 256 today", 99.999999 of folks would have said, "Huh?"
But they caught the Illini Dline over-pursuing and exploited it beautifully. After that, the Illini couldn't stack the box, and it gave the room for that long drive. Beautifully done.
Now, if we could only get TDs, lately, instead of FGs or failed 4th-down attempts!
