Oklahoma in disarray leading up to Insight
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ColoradoHAWKEYE
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Agree, first things first, however, there are a number of "services" that like Iowa and the points. I like the idea of playing "up", and think we have a good legitimate shot at being prepared to compete and possibly win. Oklahoma is still Oklahoma, but they are not without some faults, cracks, and injuries. GoHawks.
tweeterhawk
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I think this gives the Iowa players and staff a chance to focus on beating what should be a much better opponent. I don't know what Oklahoma team comes to play but I fully expect Stoops to have them motivated. I don't see the blow-out and if we execute I think Iowa has a very good chance to win.
eyekwah
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Oklahoma has one of the poorest graduation rates in the NCAA, one of the lowest. The NCAA is in the process of instituting higher educational requirements for football participation and a graduation rate for bowl participation. Stoops is anticipating that the athletes he recruited will not be able to meet the new standard and Oklahoma could be bowl ineligible because of its poor graduation rate. This is an area Oklahoma has always turned a blind eye to.
Add to that the PAC12 was reluctant to add them because of the reputation. It proved rather embarrassing after the UO president Boren said he had options and found out he didn't. Look for Oklahoma to make the changes to become more attractive to the PAC12.
Add to that the PAC12 was reluctant to add them because of the reputation. It proved rather embarrassing after the UO president Boren said he had options and found out he didn't. Look for Oklahoma to make the changes to become more attractive to the PAC12.
deanvogs
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I'm pretty sure I'll take my chance against a highly regarded young recruit over Broyles, or any other player who hasn't won a starting spot. Don't get me wrong, I know what you are saying, but at the same time there is a reason that others were starting over them at the current time.
hogeye
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I'll give you Broyles, and one or two other, but for the most part you aren't going to see a large disparity in talent. And the deeper you get in the lineup of kids that haven't played the less and less that this perception that Oklahoma doesn't want to be there and will be disinterested holds any merit. Those kids will want to play.
deanvogs
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I do understand what you are saying, but talent that isn't starting doesn't have game experience. When a player makes a Fr mistake, it is called that for a reason....New starters make new starter mistakes.
Weeks of bowl prep and first team reps can help a guy get up to speed fairly well. Not saying that OU going down the depth chart is a bad thing for Iowa, just that the benefits might be mitigated be the extended prep time.
hawkeyebob62
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It was quasi-correct. Unfortunately, Chandler put himself in "no-man's land", but deep enough that the official made the correct call.
Basically, whenever a TE is THAT wide open, you can bet that call will either made, or SHOULD be made. The Texas D laid off Chandler because of where he ended up being "set", a pretty good indicator that he is "covered" and on the LOS.
The Hawks actually benefited from a similar call against Illinois the following season.
hogeye
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I am not discounting that fact. I am simply stating the fact that the deeper you go on the roster the more energized these guys are going to be to play Iowa in some bowl game they allegedly don't want to be in.
I think that reward of that energy far outweighs the risk of mistakes.
I don't want to artificially inflate Oklahoma, but the fact is that kids in these programs are in a more tangible "next man in" scenario than most schools. They play against superior talent in practice. They lack game time experience, yes, but by and large these kids are ready for it.
If you want to discount Oklahoma at any level probably the most legitimate weakness is Stoops not handling it if we can hand around at all in this game.
vegashawki
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We are fukd Oklahoma has SEC speed even in the backups, our slower less talented kids don't have a shot. Enough talk about how much more talented and s*** yall think they are, everyone talks this way during bowls and its bulls***. We have always faired well against "more talented" "faster" teams so give it a rest. Kirk always gets us prepared for bowls and with this being Norms last game you better believe our defense will be ready to smack the s*** outta these "more talented" backups.
hogeye
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This isn't my point at all. I am fully looking forward to playing Oklahoma for the reason I cited at the end of my previous post alone.
I am just tired of people talking about how Oklahoma isn't going to want to be there...I understand this tired, cliche has a level of truth, but the fact is that they are going to try to show up with something to prove whether people want to believe that or not.
hawkforlife9
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Should be getting closer to even money.
DFaceHawkeye
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You are correct about the call. I mis-remembered that.
But, I think it was the right call, as Chandler came in motion and moved up to the line of scrimmage. I just watched it again, and he definitely put himself in a bad position. We obviously can't see straight down the line, but he's very close to the LOS. All he has to do is break the *** of the center to be considered on the LOS. And since the outside receiver never backed off the line, Chandler was covered and hence illegally down field.sergeanthulka
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Yeah, I don't think Texas failed to cover him, because they realized he was ineligible......
Whether SC was or wasn't 'on' the LOS was very close either way...and you are correct, that SC put himself too close to the LOS -- leaving it to the ref's judgement as to whether he was declaring himself to be 'on' or 'off'...
But no way in hell did Texas leave him open because they thought he was ineligible...
SheagleHawk
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Not sure Oklahoma is in disarray. Just spoke to my rep again, Ken Still's dad, and he said he's heard nothing of the sort from Ken Jr. Said they are not happy about the bowl game they're in, but nothing about Stoops "losing the team" or being in "disarray".
I wouldn't want to get embarrassed by Iowa either. They know how Iowa has done in bowls against big opponents. I wouldn't want to be there either.
OU has earned their top 13 ranking. They have earned their 15 point favorite status.
If Iowa pulls off the shocker,it will be the biggest upset bowl win of this year,I am certain.
OU will be foaming at the mouth to recover from that embarrassing finish of their season. If they get out fast, it could get very ugly very quckly for the Hawkeyes.
If Iowa pulls off the shocker,it will be the biggest upset bowl win of this year,I am certain.
OU will be foaming at the mouth to recover from that embarrassing finish of their season. If they get out fast, it could get very ugly very quckly for the Hawkeyes.
hawkforlife9
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Wrong. OU could care less. They will care again next fall when a new season starts. OU is one of those schools where it's National Championship or nothing.
