Oh to have a QB who can run
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HawkeyezBull
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I will argue to the day I die that KF always recruited the positoin incorrectly. With the number of boots and play action having a running Qb would've added 1-3 wins every year.
We almost never have the athletes to spread the field vertically, and this offense is and always has been 20 yards or less. Creating more horizontal pressure would've been huge.
We almost never have the athletes to spread the field vertically, and this offense is and always has been 20 yards or less. Creating more horizontal pressure would've been huge.
BigD
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No,
If after 27 years as a power five coach to start to realize anything at that point in their career would be ridiculous.
Brad Banks says HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Fryowa
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In that 3rd and goal TD the entire Penn State team bit on the handoff. That's the dimension we've always been missing since CJB. Lull a team to sleep with really good RBs (Wadley/Daniels/Sargent/Goodson/Johnson/Moulton), and have the QB's legs be a threat.
Since Stanley took over until now we haven't had that ability. Could sell out on the run but no one had to worry about Iowa passing or a QB taking off. Now we have at least one of the two. Dumbasses ragging on and on about how nothing has changed because they go online and look at passing stats don't understand football beyond a box score level. It changed last Saturday and that's how the Hawkeyes need to play ball right now. Will it continue? Who knows...but at least last week that's how you're supposed to play football in the B1G.
Getting beat by a leviathan like OSU or even Oregon can't be helped. You might as well just try to chop an oak tree down with a butter knife. But to beat teams like Indiana '25 and Penn State (PSU is still a big time program, folks) and nebraska, this is how you have to do it at a school like Iowa.
You also need a QB with attitude and not an "oh-shit-what-do-I-do-now-I'm-scared-shitless" thing going on. You're QBs attitude and composure is going to be your team's attitude and composure. Peeing down your leg and wide eyes ain't acceptable (before people come at me remember these guys are making millions now). You can be a great guy and have a high football IQ like what people have said about Petras and Stanley...I met both of them briefly when they were playing and they seemed like awesome dudes...but that doesn't translate into success at QB. Just like the best guy to lead a platoon into war isn't going to kill the enemy and keep his troops alive on intelligence and nice factor. You have to have a toughness and a grit that wears off on people and makes them confident in themselves and what their mission is.
Since Stanley took over until now we haven't had that ability. Could sell out on the run but no one had to worry about Iowa passing or a QB taking off. Now we have at least one of the two. Dumbasses ragging on and on about how nothing has changed because they go online and look at passing stats don't understand football beyond a box score level. It changed last Saturday and that's how the Hawkeyes need to play ball right now. Will it continue? Who knows...but at least last week that's how you're supposed to play football in the B1G.
Getting beat by a leviathan like OSU or even Oregon can't be helped. You might as well just try to chop an oak tree down with a butter knife. But to beat teams like Indiana '25 and Penn State (PSU is still a big time program, folks) and nebraska, this is how you have to do it at a school like Iowa.
You also need a QB with attitude and not an "oh-shit-what-do-I-do-now-I'm-scared-shitless" thing going on. You're QBs attitude and composure is going to be your team's attitude and composure. Peeing down your leg and wide eyes ain't acceptable (before people come at me remember these guys are making millions now). You can be a great guy and have a high football IQ like what people have said about Petras and Stanley...I met both of them briefly when they were playing and they seemed like awesome dudes...but that doesn't translate into success at QB. Just like the best guy to lead a platoon into war isn't going to kill the enemy and keep his troops alive on intelligence and nice factor. You have to have a toughness and a grit that wears off on people and makes them confident in themselves and what their mission is.
HawkPowerlifter
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I think you nailed it. Gronk has that swagger. That confidence that is contagious. When you are in the huddle, he is your guy. The guy you look to to take charge and make a play or will make that play. Now, is he? I think he is. I think some of the gaffs early on are due to lack of practice due to injury and continuing to learn the system.
I know some of his throws have been bad. I'm curious if some of that is just still working through his labrum recovery. That type of surgery is no joke. And for a quarterback or a pitcher, it can be significant and take time to get that feel back.
I know personally speaking I have had scope on my rotator cuff and elbow as well as a bicep tendon repair on my throwing arm. But I did notice it changed my arm slot when throwing a baseball. I'm curious if this is something he is still working through.
I hear defenders of Gronk speak how he made those throws with the Jackrabbits. I'm curious if it's combo of playing in the Big Ten, speed of the game and still working through his recovery?
I love his fire and leadership. He's a gamer, and you can tell the team feeds of him. Let's hope though he can continue to progress and lead the Hawkeyes to some great wins.
Circling back to KF, I think he has always recruited more of a game manager, and not a playmaker. However, with Lester at the helm for OC, I'm starting to see some more athleticism in the QB room.
Fryowa
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I had my non-throwing labrum done in 2012 (hit by a car cycling) and that shoulder is way better than my other natural one now. I don't have any loss of range or flexibility issues. A lot of times I joke that I should get my right one done too because I bet you if I went in and complained, that labrum is shredded from years of baseball. But holy shit was that surgery and PT painful. Wow.
HawkPowerlifter
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100% Even with a top tier surgeon and PT, I'm guessing it just takes time for the "feel" to come back. There is always the mental side of it too. A lot of Jackrabbit fans have stated they believe it's more a system flaw and blame his accuracy issues on Iowa and their system.
Meh, maybe there's a bit of merit to that. And not to take away from anything he did there, but I liken it to somewhat of playing JV and lighting it up, and then moving up to Varsity and the game speeds up and you have to adjust.
Fryowa
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Lol, a lot of Jackrabbit fans are delusional and salty about getting their QB poached, and can't come to grips with the fact that going from the Missouri Valley Conference to the Big Ten is like going from freshman intramurals to varsity. The DL and DBs of Big Ten schools are bigger, faster, stronger, more skilled in general, and are coached by wizard-level DCs and position coaches. It's just saltiness.
I'm too lazy to look it up but Gronowski was never a high percentage passer even when he was at SDSU. Maybe you are right about still getting over the shoulder surgery but I think it is also a) still getting used to the system and b) not a super accurate thrower to begin with. But he is a winner and I'd take him all day long.
HawkPowerlifter
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I'm with Fry and you both. Maybe it's all the above. What I do like is he is a leader. He has moxie. His leadership alone is invaluable. Hoping he can stay healthy and continue to make some plays for us.
ICHawk24
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Iowa tried many many times over Kirk's entire tenure to recruit running quarterbacks. Eric McCollom, Jason Manson, Arvell Nelson, Marvin McNutt (recruited as QB), Peyton Mansell, Marco Lainez, etc.
But they never had success. They were unable to develop them. To begin with, they were recruiting marginal running QBs because any good running QB wouldn't come here to be undeveloped by KOK. It was a self-perpetuating cycle.
