Oh to have a QB who can run





I will argue to the day I die that KF always recruited the positoin incorrectly. With the number of boots and play action having a running Qb would've added 1-3 wins every year.

We almost never have the athletes to spread the field vertically, and this offense is and always has been 20 yards or less. Creating more horizontal pressure would've been huge.
 


Do you think KF is now realizing the importance of this. 68 yds passing, 130 running!
No,

If after 27 years as a power five coach to start to realize anything at that point in their career would be ridiculous.

Brad Banks says HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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In that 3rd and goal TD the entire Penn State team bit on the handoff. That's the dimension we've always been missing since CJB. Lull a team to sleep with really good RBs (Wadley/Daniels/Sargent/Goodson/Johnson/Moulton), and have the QB's legs be a threat.

Since Stanley took over until now we haven't had that ability. Could sell out on the run but no one had to worry about Iowa passing or a QB taking off. Now we have at least one of the two. Dumbasses ragging on and on about how nothing has changed because they go online and look at passing stats don't understand football beyond a box score level. It changed last Saturday and that's how the Hawkeyes need to play ball right now. Will it continue? Who knows...but at least last week that's how you're supposed to play football in the B1G.

Getting beat by a leviathan like OSU or even Oregon can't be helped. You might as well just try to chop an oak tree down with a butter knife. But to beat teams like Indiana '25 and Penn State (PSU is still a big time program, folks) and nebraska, this is how you have to do it at a school like Iowa.

You also need a QB with attitude and not an "oh-shit-what-do-I-do-now-I'm-scared-shitless" thing going on. You're QBs attitude and composure is going to be your team's attitude and composure. Peeing down your leg and wide eyes ain't acceptable (before people come at me remember these guys are making millions now). You can be a great guy and have a high football IQ like what people have said about Petras and Stanley...I met both of them briefly when they were playing and they seemed like awesome dudes...but that doesn't translate into success at QB. Just like the best guy to lead a platoon into war isn't going to kill the enemy and keep his troops alive on intelligence and nice factor. You have to have a toughness and a grit that wears off on people and makes them confident in themselves and what their mission is.
 


In that 3rd and goal TD the entire Penn State team bit on the handoff. That's the dimension we've always been missing since CJB. Lull a team to sleep with really good RBs (Wadley/Daniels/Sargent/Goodson/Johnson/Moulton), and have the QB's legs be a threat.

Since Stanley took over until now we haven't had that ability. Could sell out on the run but no one had to worry about Iowa passing or a QB taking off. Now we have at least one of the two. Dumbasses ragging on and on about how nothing has changed because they go online and look at passing stats don't understand football beyond a box score level. It changed last Saturday and that's how the Hawkeyes need to play ball right now. Will it continue? Who knows...but at least last week that's how you're supposed to play football in the B1G.

Getting beat by a leviathan like OSU or even Oregon can't be helped. You might as well just try to chop an oak tree down with a butter knife. But to beat teams like Indiana '25 and Penn State (PSU is still a big time program, folks) and nebraska, this is how you have to do it at a school like Iowa.

You also need a QB with attitude and not an "oh-shit-what-do-I-do-now-I'm-scared-shitless" thing going on. You're QBs attitude and composure is going to be your team's attitude and composure. Peeing down your leg and wide eyes ain't acceptable (before people come at me remember these guys are making millions now). You can be a great guy and have a high football IQ like what people have said about Petras and Stanley...I met both of them briefly when they were playing and they seemed like awesome dudes...but that doesn't translate into success at QB. Just like the best guy to lead a platoon into war isn't going to kill the enemy and keep his troops alive on intelligence and nice factor. You have to have a toughness and a grit that wears off on people and makes them confident in themselves and what their mission is.
I think you nailed it. Gronk has that swagger. That confidence that is contagious. When you are in the huddle, he is your guy. The guy you look to to take charge and make a play or will make that play. Now, is he? I think he is. I think some of the gaffs early on are due to lack of practice due to injury and continuing to learn the system.

I know some of his throws have been bad. I'm curious if some of that is just still working through his labrum recovery. That type of surgery is no joke. And for a quarterback or a pitcher, it can be significant and take time to get that feel back.

I know personally speaking I have had scope on my rotator cuff and elbow as well as a bicep tendon repair on my throwing arm. But I did notice it changed my arm slot when throwing a baseball. I'm curious if this is something he is still working through.

I hear defenders of Gronk speak how he made those throws with the Jackrabbits. I'm curious if it's combo of playing in the Big Ten, speed of the game and still working through his recovery?

I love his fire and leadership. He's a gamer, and you can tell the team feeds of him. Let's hope though he can continue to progress and lead the Hawkeyes to some great wins.

Circling back to KF, I think he has always recruited more of a game manager, and not a playmaker. However, with Lester at the helm for OC, I'm starting to see some more athleticism in the QB room.
 


I think you nailed it. Gronk has that swagger. That confidence that is contagious. When you are in the huddle, he is your guy. The guy you look to to take charge and make a play or will make that play. Now, is he? I think he is. I think some of the gaffs early on are due to lack of practice due to injury and continuing to learn the system.

I know some of his throws have been bad. I'm curious if some of that is just still working through his labrum recovery. That type of surgery is no joke. And for a quarterback or a pitcher, it can be significant and take time to get that feel back.

I know personally speaking I have had scope on my rotator cuff and elbow as well as a bicep tendon repair on my throwing arm. But I did notice it changed my arm slot when throwing a baseball. I'm curious if this is something he is still working through.

I hear defenders of Gronk speak how he made those throws with the Jackrabbits. I'm curious if it's combo of playing in the Big Ten, speed of the game and still working through his recovery?

I love his fire and leadership. He's a gamer, and you can tell the team feeds of him. Let's hope though he can continue to progress and lead the Hawkeyes to some great wins.

Circling back to KF, I think he has always recruited more of a game manager, and not a playmaker. However, with Lester at the helm for OC, I'm starting to see some more athleticism in the QB room.
I had my non-throwing labrum done in 2012 (hit by a car cycling) and that shoulder is way better than my other natural one now. I don't have any loss of range or flexibility issues. A lot of times I joke that I should get my right one done too because I bet you if I went in and complained, that labrum is shredded from years of baseball. But holy shit was that surgery and PT painful. Wow.
 


I had my non-throwing labrum done in 2012 (hit by a car cycling) and that shoulder is way better than my other natural one now. I don't have any loss of range or flexibility issues. A lot of times I joke that I should get my right one done too because I bet you if I went in and complained, that labrum is shredded from years of baseball. But holy shit was that surgery and PT painful. Wow.
100% Even with a top tier surgeon and PT, I'm guessing it just takes time for the "feel" to come back. There is always the mental side of it too. A lot of Jackrabbit fans have stated they believe it's more a system flaw and blame his accuracy issues on Iowa and their system.

Meh, maybe there's a bit of merit to that. And not to take away from anything he did there, but I liken it to somewhat of playing JV and lighting it up, and then moving up to Varsity and the game speeds up and you have to adjust.
 


100% Even with a top tier surgeon and PT, I'm guessing it just takes time for the "feel" to come back. There is always the mental side of it too. A lot of Jackrabbit fans have stated they believe it's more a system flaw and blame his accuracy issues on Iowa and their system.

Meh, maybe there's a bit of merit to that. And not to take away from anything he did there, but I liken it to somewhat of playing JV and lighting it up, and then moving up to Varsity and the game speeds up and you have to adjust.
Lol, a lot of Jackrabbit fans are delusional and salty about getting their QB poached, and can't come to grips with the fact that going from the Missouri Valley Conference to the Big Ten is like going from freshman intramurals to varsity. The DL and DBs of Big Ten schools are bigger, faster, stronger, more skilled in general, and are coached by wizard-level DCs and position coaches. It's just saltiness.
 


I'm too lazy to look it up but Gronowski was never a high percentage passer even when he was at SDSU. Maybe you are right about still getting over the shoulder surgery but I think it is also a) still getting used to the system and b) not a super accurate thrower to begin with. But he is a winner and I'd take him all day long.
 


I'm too lazy to look it up but Gronowski was never a high percentage passer even when he was at SDSU. Maybe you are right about still getting over the shoulder surgery but I think it is also a) still getting used to the system and b) not a super accurate thrower to begin with. But he is a winner and I'd take him all day long.
I'm with Fry and you both. Maybe it's all the above. What I do like is he is a leader. He has moxie. His leadership alone is invaluable. Hoping he can stay healthy and continue to make some plays for us.
 


I will argue to the day I die that KF always recruited the position incorrectly.

Iowa tried many many times over Kirk's entire tenure to recruit running quarterbacks. Eric McCollom, Jason Manson, Arvell Nelson, Marvin McNutt (recruited as QB), Peyton Mansell, Marco Lainez, etc.

But they never had success. They were unable to develop them. To begin with, they were recruiting marginal running QBs because any good running QB wouldn't come here to be undeveloped by KOK. It was a self-perpetuating cycle.
 


In that 3rd and goal TD the entire Penn State team bit on the handoff. That's the dimension we've always been missing since CJB. Lull a team to sleep with really good RBs (Wadley/Daniels/Sargent/Goodson/Johnson/Moulton), and have the QB's legs be a threat.

Since Stanley took over until now we haven't had that ability. Could sell out on the run but no one had to worry about Iowa passing or a QB taking off. Now we have at least one of the two. Dumbasses ragging on and on about how nothing has changed because they go online and look at passing stats don't understand football beyond a box score level. It changed last Saturday and that's how the Hawkeyes need to play ball right now. Will it continue? Who knows...but at least last week that's how you're supposed to play football in the B1G.

Getting beat by a leviathan like OSU or even Oregon can't be helped. You might as well just try to chop an oak tree down with a butter knife. But to beat teams like Indiana '25 and Penn State (PSU is still a big time program, folks) and nebraska, this is how you have to do it at a school like Iowa.

You also need a QB with attitude and not an "oh-shit-what-do-I-do-now-I'm-scared-shitless" thing going on. You're QBs attitude and composure is going to be your team's attitude and composure. Peeing down your leg and wide eyes ain't acceptable (before people come at me remember these guys are making millions now). You can be a great guy and have a high football IQ like what people have said about Petras and Stanley...I met both of them briefly when they were playing and they seemed like awesome dudes...but that doesn't translate into success at QB. Just like the best guy to lead a platoon into war isn't going to kill the enemy and keep his troops alive on intelligence and nice factor. You have to have a toughness and a grit that wears off on people and makes them confident in themselves and what their mission is.
At least Stanley was one hell of a QB-sneaker...
 


Iowa tried many many times over Kirk's entire tenure to recruit running quarterbacks. Eric McCollom, Jason Manson, Arvell Nelson, Marvin McNutt (recruited as QB), Peyton Mansell, Marco Lainez, etc.

But they never had success. They were unable to develop them. To begin with, they were recruiting marginal running QBs because any good running QB wouldn't come here to be undeveloped by KOK. It was a self-perpetuating cycle.
The QB I wish that woulda got a fair shake at a shot was Ryan Boyle. Dowling kid that could run. He was like 6'2 210ish maybe a little more the older he got. But he was a yr or so behind Stanley and wasn't ever going to get a shot at beating him out really so he went to Indiana state and did ok over there before he got hurt for a couple yrs.
 


I really want to find a way to complain.
Maybe after this weekend I can, but until then...
That 130 yards is a bit of an outlier.
Take that game out, he's averaging 2.3 yards per carry and an average of 26.5 yards per game.
The 2.3, I assume is underinflated because I assume sacks count as a rush? Certainly a broken play that goes nowhere wouldn't help stats, and that's going to happen. According to google, sacks count as a rush in college stats. So, if you had a running back getting 8-9 carries a game and averaging 30+ yards a game? I don't think anyone would say that's close to problematic.

The other thing that I wanted to complain about is attempts. And that's not on him. Both run and pass. But, he has few run attempts in games when the runningbacks were running rampant. And fewer pass attempts, when running backs were running rampant. Or the game was already in the bag. Except Wisconsin. Which made a ton of sense after coming back from an injury....and needing some timing and opportunity. So, nothing to complain about there.

Yes, 130 is a lot. But even if you take away a bunch of the "extra" he got on the long ones....they were still first down runs of 10+. They're his stats. He earned them. The biggest outlier is actually Indiana. Matched season high for pass attempts, but was short on run attempts...relative to what the rest of the offense was producing in terms of rushing. And, he did miss a few series at the end.....so...maybe not truly an outlier either.

I'm good mixing his rushing and passing. As long as they beat Minnesota, Michigan St. and Nebraska.
 




Goddammit, you guys are just firing me up again about those last couple years under Brian when Iowa was elite in two of its three teams.

For the life of me, I'll never understand why they didn't at least try one of their more mobile QBs (Lainez, Labas) for a handful of series every game to see if some designed runs (or even panicked scrambles) could help move the ball in order to get a few first downs. Or some series with Cooper (by the time they started that it was too late). Or even wildcat to someone else. Anything.

Speaking of Labas, that one never made sense. Not a single snap that season despite average high school QB play on the field (and immobile at that). Labas proved to be a starting MAC QB. Someday perhaps we find out what Labas said or did to Brian or Kirk.
 


Goddammit, you guys are just firing me up again about those last couple years under Brian when Iowa was elite in two of its three teams.

Breathe easy and explain it away.

Yes, the passing QBs didn't work out. But I also think that was a stretch where we saw some of the most uncharacteristically so-so to underachieving offensive lines in a very long time, followed by a very young offensive line that took a couple years to get it's feet under it. It would have just been different quarterbacks in a cast.

That's what I'm going with.
 


I wish Brad Banks wouldn’t have been benched after coming in to relieve McCann when he got injured. Still don’t understand how we couldn’t recruit another ‘Banks’ style qb. He only was runner up for the Heisman.
 




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