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Don't care what you are and it's not lazy unless you are too lazy to see the comparisons. Fact is you don't won't the world biased a certain way to change. How is 17 million not comparable?

WW1 which sowed the seeds of Hitler was fought basically over the exploitation of resources in Africa including human resources.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmno. If America was modern Nazi Germany the entertainment and news media wouldn't present them as ever-present evil. The fact we do proves we are a good people. It proves we can recognize evil (most of us can). We confronted the Axis powers and defeated them, and then rightly demonized them. We were so traumatized by that war we still see them everywhere, even though their numbers probably represent .00000000001% of our society.

THIS, is much closer to the truth of what is driving the current narrative . . . and has been for many decades.

Soviet journalist and KGB informant Yuri Bezmenov laid out an even more concise strategy for subversion in a 1984 interview: Demoralization, Destabilization, Crisis, and Normalization.

Stage 1: Demoralization


Bezmenov said the first stage, Demoralization, could take 15 to 20 years to complete because “this is the minimum number of years it takes to educate one generation of students.”

“Marxist-Leninist ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generations without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism, American patriotism,” he warned in 1984, judging that the demoralization process had been “basically completed” by that point.

“Actually, it’s over-fulfilled, because demoralization now reaches such areas where previously, not even Comrade Andropov and all of his experts would even dream of such tremendous success,” he added, referring to former KGB head and Soviet leader Yuri Andropov. “Most of it is done by Americans to Americans, thanks to a lack of moral standards.”

Bezmenov explained that demoralization is important because it robs the targeted population of its ability to process valid information. Even when demoralization targets are “showered with authentic proof” of contrary positions, they simply “refuse to believe it.”

Demoralization is quite obvious among today’s young people, whose faith in their country has been systematically destroyed throughout their lives by the education and media establishment. The New York Times’ “1619 Project” is a reflection of this truth.

Another word for demoralization is guilt. Americans are routinely compelled to feel guilty about their society and national history. Guilt is the most powerful force in left-wing politics and academia. People will not accept the radical expansion of punitive government power unless they feel guilty and deserving of punishment.

Stage 2: Destabilization

The second stage, Destabilization, is much faster, requiring only two to five years under KGB doctrine. In this stage, the fundamentals of the targeted population’s economy, political system, and culture would be attacked, while the demoralized population could not mount much of a defense.

Bezmenov in 1984 found it “absolutely fantastic” how much influence Marxist-Leninist ideas had developed in the American economy and military. In essence, a demoralized population becomes willing to believe the worst criticisms of its own society, while learning to see defenders of that society as their enemies, while avowed enemies become natural allies. The defenders are held to strict standards, while anything goes for the most strident critics.

Whatever Bezmenov saw in the destabilized American society of the early 1980s with respect to the Soviet Union, it’s easy to see how the American Left has destabilized entire segments of modern society after demoralizing them. They see enemies everywhere, while no pro-American authority can be trusted. It’s hard to imagine a better illustration of demoralization followed by destabilization than hordes of anti-capitalist activists texting each other on their iPhones.

A destabilized population becomes obsessed with hypocrisy as the ultimate political sin. They believe the best ideas – individual liberty, sovereign rights, capitalism, even the rule of law – are presented insincerely by sinister powers who seek to exploit and manipulate them. The precious resource of goodwill disappears from society as everyone comes to believe their neighbors hate them and cannot be trusted. Demoralized people lose faith in their nation, history, and ideals; destabilized people lose faith in each other.

Stage 3: Crisis

Once a society has been destabilized, Bezmenov said the time would be ripe to create a Crisis, which he estimated would take six to eight weeks in the Eighties. With turbo Internet speed, the modern era can punch out a crisis much faster than that.

A crisis has the obvious benefit of panicking demoralized, destabilized people into abandoning their legal protections and constitutional ideals. During the coronavirus panic, people who brought up those ideals were treated like lunatics. The pendulum swung the other way with blinding speed during the riots. In the span of one week, the right to peaceable assembly went from a crazed defiance of common-sense lockdown rules to an urgent matter that utterly transcended the deadly pandemic. Suddenly, angry political demonstration magically cured the coronavirus, or made the projected wave of sickness and death into a purely secondary concern. If you wanted to work at the store so you could feed your family in late March, you were selfishly trying to “kill my Grandma to pad your bank account.” If you wanted to burn the store down in early June to protest white supremacy, nobody mentioned their imperiled grandmothers.

The more subtle benefit of a crisis is that it tends to de-legitimize aspects of the existing system that have already been softened up by the long process of demoralization and destabilization. Those who control the organs of public communication have the power to decide which aspects of the system are supposedly indicted by the crisis.

For example, during the riots, the media is completely uninterested in discussing the incompetence of officials who allowed violence to rage out of control with deadly consequences. Somehow the lesson of wanton violence that killed people and destroyed countless livelihoods became “let’s get rid of the police altogether.”

The threat of a crisis is essential for terrorizing the middle class into accepting a political agenda that is actively hostile to its interests, which leads to the fourth stage of subversion: the offer to make the pain and fear go away by accepting political domination.

Stage 4: Normalization

“After a crisis, with a violent change of the power structure and economy, you have a so-called period of Normalization that may last indefinitely,” Bezmenov said, arriving at the fourth stage of subversion.

“Normalization is a cynical expression borrowed from Soviet propaganda,” he explained. Interestingly, it also happens to be the core theme of the Democrat presidential campaign.

“When the Soviet tanks moved into Czechoslovakia in 1968, Comrade Brezhnev said, ‘Now the situation in brotherly Czechoslovakia is ‘normalized.’ This is what will happen in the United States if you allow all the schmucks to bring the country to crisis, to promise people all kinds of goodies and a paradise on Earth, to destabilize your economy, to eliminate the principle of free-market competition, and to put a Big Brother government in Washington, D.C. with benevolent dictators like Walter Mondale, who will promise lots of things – never mind whether the promises are fulfillable or not,” Bezmenov cautioned.

Bezmenov, however, was insistent that American left-wing professors and civil-rights leaders were deliberately running Andropov’s strategy with a conscious effort to achieve destabilization, the step that truly distinguishes ideological subversion from the usual promises to put a chicken in every pot.

“They are instrumental in the process of subversion only to destabilize a nation,” he said of the academics and activists. “When their job is completed, they are not needed anymore. They know too much. Some of them, when they get disillusioned, when they see that Marxist-Leninists come to power, obviously they get offended. They think that they will come to power. That will never happen, of course. They will be lined up against the wall and shot.”

This metaphorical lining up and shooting of intellectuals is already happening with Lockdown Forever enthusiasts, who only a few days ago were hammering out passionate arguments that American businesses must remain shuttered for weeks or months to come, and anyone who dared to question their dire warnings was a selfish monster willing to kill other people’s grandmothers to pad out their 401k accounts. In the blink of an eye, Lockdown Forever went from the vital engineers of a politically useful crisis to inconvenient obstacles for the new crisis, nationwide riots.
 
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Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmno. If America was modern Nazi Germany the entertainment and news media wouldn't present them as ever-present evil. The fact we do that proves we are a good people. The fact we do that proves we can recognize evil (some of us can). We confronted the Axis powers and defeated them, and then rightly demonized them. We were so traumatized by that war we still see them everywhere, even though their numbers probably represent .00000000001% of our society.

THIS, is much closer to the truth of what is driving the current narrative . . . and has been for many decades.

Soviet journalist and KGB informant Yuri Bezmenov laid out an even more concise strategy for subversion in a 1984 interview: Demoralization, Destabilization, Crisis, and Normalization.

Stage 1: Demoralization


Bezmenov said the first stage, Demoralization, could take 15 to 20 years to complete because “this is the minimum number of years it takes to educate one generation of students.”

“Marxist-Leninist ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generations without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism, American patriotism,” he warned in 1984, judging that the demoralization process had been “basically completed” by that point.

“Actually, it’s over-fulfilled, because demoralization now reaches such areas where previously, not even Comrade Andropov and all of his experts would even dream of such tremendous success,” he added, referring to former KGB head and Soviet leader Yuri Andropov. “Most of it is done by Americans to Americans, thanks to a lack of moral standards.”

Bezmenov explained that demoralization is important because it robs the targeted population of its ability to process valid information. Even when demoralization targets are “showered with authentic proof” of contrary positions, they simply “refuse to believe it.”

Demoralization is quite obvious among today’s young people, whose faith in their country has been systematically destroyed throughout their lives by the education and media establishment. The New York Times’ “1619 Project” is a reflection of this truth.

Another word for demoralization is guilt. Americans are routinely compelled to feel guilty about their society and national history. Guilt is the most powerful force in left-wing politics and academia. People will not accept the radical expansion of punitive government power unless they feel guilty and deserving of punishment.

Stage 2: Destabilization

The second stage, Destabilization, is much faster, requiring only two to five years under KGB doctrine. In this stage, the fundamentals of the targeted population’s economy, political system, and culture would be attacked, while the demoralized population could not mount much of a defense.

Bezmenov in 1984 found it “absolutely fantastic” how much influence Marxist-Leninist ideas had developed in the American economy and military. In essence, a demoralized population becomes willing to believe the worst criticisms of its own society, while learning to see defenders of that society as their enemies, while avowed enemies become natural allies. The defenders are held to strict standards, while anything goes for the most strident critics.

Whatever Bezmenov saw in the destabilized American society of the early 1980s with respect to the Soviet Union, it’s easy to see how the American Left has destabilized entire segments of modern society after demoralizing them. They see enemies everywhere, while no pro-American authority can be trusted. It’s hard to imagine a better illustration of demoralization followed by destabilization than hordes of anti-capitalist activists texting each other on their iPhones.

A destabilized population becomes obsessed with hypocrisy as the ultimate political sin. They believe the best ideas – individual liberty, sovereign rights, capitalism, even the rule of law – are presented insincerely by sinister powers who seek to exploit and manipulate them. The precious resource of goodwill disappears from society as everyone comes to believe their neighbors hate them and cannot be trusted. Demoralized people lose faith in their nation, history, and ideals; destabilized people lose faith in each other.

Stage 3: Crisis

Once a society has been destabilized, Bezmenov said the time would be ripe to create a Crisis, which he estimated would take six to eight weeks in the Eighties. With turbo Internet speed, the modern era can punch out a crisis much faster than that.

A crisis has the obvious benefit of panicking demoralized, destabilized people into abandoning their legal protections and constitutional ideals. During the coronavirus panic, people who brought up those ideals were treated like lunatics. The pendulum swung the other way with blinding speed during the riots. In the span of one week, the right to peaceable assembly went from a crazed defiance of common-sense lockdown rules to an urgent matter that utterly transcended the deadly pandemic. Suddenly, angry political demonstration magically cured the coronavirus, or made the projected wave of sickness and death into a purely secondary concern. If you wanted to work at the store so you could feed your family in late March, you were selfishly trying to “kill my Grandma to pad your bank account.” If you wanted to burn the store down in early June to protest white supremacy, nobody mentioned their imperiled grandmothers.

The more subtle benefit of a crisis is that it tends to de-legitimize aspects of the existing system that have already been softened up by the long process of demoralization and destabilization. Those who control the organs of public communication have the power to decide which aspects of the system are supposedly indicted by the crisis.

For example, during the riots, the media is completely uninterested in discussing the incompetence of officials who allowed violence to rage out of control with deadly consequences. Somehow the lesson of wanton violence that killed people and destroyed countless livelihoods became “let’s get rid of the police altogether.”

The threat of a crisis is essential for terrorizing the middle class into accepting a political agenda that is actively hostile to its interests, which leads to the fourth stage of subversion: the offer to make the pain and fear go away by accepting political domination.

Stage 4: Normalization

“After a crisis, with a violent change of the power structure and economy, you have a so-called period of Normalization that may last indefinitely,” Bezmenov said, arriving at the fourth stage of subversion.

“Normalization is a cynical expression borrowed from Soviet propaganda,” he explained. Interestingly, it also happens to be the core theme of the Democrat presidential campaign.

“When the Soviet tanks moved into Czechoslovakia in 1968, Comrade Brezhnev said, ‘Now the situation in brotherly Czechoslovakia is ‘normalized.’ This is what will happen in the United States if you allow all the schmucks to bring the country to crisis, to promise people all kinds of goodies and a paradise on Earth, to destabilize your economy, to eliminate the principle of free-market competition, and to put a Big Brother government in Washington, D.C. with benevolent dictators like Walter Mondale, who will promise lots of things – never mind whether the promises are fulfillable or not,” Bezmenov cautioned.

Bezmenov, however, was insistent that American left-wing professors and civil-rights leaders were deliberately running Andropov’s strategy with a conscious effort to achieve destabilization, the step that truly distinguishes ideological subversion from the usual promises to put a chicken in every pot.

“They are instrumental in the process of subversion only to destabilize a nation,” he said of the academics and activists. “When their job is completed, they are not needed anymore. They know too much. Some of them, when they get disillusioned, when they see that Marxist-Leninists come to power, obviously they get offended. They think that they will come to power. That will never happen, of course. They will be lined up against the wall and shot.”

This metaphorical lining up and shooting of intellectuals is already happening with Lockdown Forever enthusiasts, who only a few days ago were hammering out passionate arguments that American businesses must remain shuttered for weeks or months to come, and anyone who dared to question their dire warnings was a selfish monster willing to kill other people’s grandmothers to pad out their 401k accounts. In the blink of an eye, Lockdown Forever went from the vital engineers of a politically useful crisis to inconvenient obstacles for the new crisis, nationwide riots.

Better dead than red...:cool:

Btw when Soviet tanks moved into Hungary the insurgents had slit the necks of Soviet officers wives and kids. A fact left out of history books. That precipitated the crackdown.
 
Someone, maybe Mr. Dirtwrap,asked what the officers should have done. I was a dispatcher for a very large police department in Iowa, First all all, this not a 911 call. It is a ridiculous use of police time in a large city like Atlanta. Second, if they thought he was impaired, they could have helped him call a ride and let that person pick him up. I have known plenty of officers who would have moved his car, and helped him place that call if for no other reason than to avoid the paperwork and hassle of hauling someone like that to jail. It keeps them away from being available for trips that truly need emergency response.

freddie gray
sam dubose
ahmed aubrey
rodney king
Philando Castile
Terence Crutcher
Alton Sterling
Jamar Clark
Jeremy McDole
William Chapman II
Walter Scott
Eric Harris
Tamir Rice
Akai Gurley
Michael Brown
Eric Garner
george floyd

rayshard brooks: partial record
false imprisonment
cruelty to children
battery
family violence battery
obstruction of an officer
theft


these are the martyrs of BLM --- all of them with lengthy criminal records -- https://blacklivesmatter.com/
have you been to the website? -- where do you think the funding link takes you to? could it be a DNC fundraising website? do you know anything about the founders of BLM? could they be 3 female activists in the LGBTQ community? leaders in the grievance industry?


you know who isn't a hero to these folks?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_David_Dorn

On June 2, 2020, David Dorn, a 77-year-old African-American retired police captain, was fatally shot by a man looting a pawn shop with at least 6 others in the early hours of the morning.

Killed by people "protesting" for Floyd. MSM doesn't talk about this. An actual hero. Why not?

stephan-cannon-murdered-david-dorn.jpg
 
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freddie gray
sam dubose
ahmed aubrey
rodney king
Philando Castile
Terence Crutcher
Alton Sterling
Jamar Clark
Jeremy McDole
William Chapman II
Walter Scott
Eric Harris
Tamir Rice
Akai Gurley
Michael Brown
Eric Garner
george floyd

rayshard brooks: partial record
false imprisonment
cruelty to children
battery
family violence battery
obstruction of an officer
theft


these are the martyrs of BLM --- all of them with lengthy criminal records -- https://blacklivesmatter.com/
have you been to the website? -- where do you think the funding link takes you to? could it be a DNC fundraising website? do you know anything about the founders of BLM? could they be 3 female activists in the LGBTQ community? leaders in the grievance industry?


you know who isn't a hero to these folks?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_David_Dorn

On June 2, 2020, David Dorn, a 77-year-old African-American retired police captain, was fatally shot by a man looting a pawn shop with at least 6 others in the early hours of the morning.

Killed by people "protesting" for Floyd. MSM doesn't talk about this. An actual hero. Why not?

stephan-cannon-murdered-david-dorn.jpg
Not sure this was meant for me, I did not post in this thread
 
That video was freaking hilarious...I literally laughed from beginning to end. There were parts that were so funny, I played them a few times. That is some good comedy. Wow...whew...my sides hurt. I mean, the one where team red believes in free markets...lol...all the while team Trump has used tariffs against and to threaten all our trading allies as well as to do they exact opposite with China...and then paying farmers to not sell their crop...a true socialist approach if there ever was one. That's funny stuff. Then the farm subsidies are so corrupt, that the administration is getting rolled and it's a never ending pit of wasted money.

Then the lying and cheaters one...holy crap...i almost pissed myself. I'm still laughing. Wait...was this video made before Trump, Pompeo, and Barr? Maybe they didn't realize Team Red was going to be kidnapped, raped, and pillaged. Then shaken down, and raped a few more times by Trump and his family..

Oh...and then the "enforces the rules" one...I had to take a short break after that one. Trump is currently firing all the Inspector General's who provide oversight and he shirks all oversight by Congress...not exactly enforcing the rules huh. No...with the Justice Dept. no longer impartial...they are creating their own rules. Funny, funny stuff. I mean for crying out loud they have a guy who admitted guilt several times...now they are saying..."no that doesn't count because what they were investigating him about was illegitimate." Why admit guilt, why cooperate? LOL. Enforce the rules red team.


let me know how you like this one ...

 
freddie gray
sam dubose
ahmed aubrey
rodney king
Philando Castile
Terence Crutcher
Alton Sterling
Jamar Clark
Jeremy McDole
William Chapman II
Walter Scott
Eric Harris
Tamir Rice
Akai Gurley
Michael Brown
Eric Garner
george floyd

rayshard brooks: partial record
false imprisonment
cruelty to children
battery
family violence battery
obstruction of an officer
theft


these are the martyrs of BLM --- all of them with lengthy criminal records -- https://blacklivesmatter.com/
have you been to the website? -- where do you think the funding link takes you to? could it be a DNC fundraising website? do you know anything about the founders of BLM? could they be 3 female activists in the LGBTQ community? leaders in the grievance industry?


you know who isn't a hero to these folks?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_David_Dorn

On June 2, 2020, David Dorn, a 77-year-old African-American retired police captain, was fatally shot by a man looting a pawn shop with at least 6 others in the early hours of the morning.

Killed by people "protesting" for Floyd. MSM doesn't talk about this. An actual hero. Why not?

stephan-cannon-murdered-david-dorn.jpg

So we should on the spot execute screwups like 19 yo white boys? Get in between your ears. It's the system that creates a lot of this.
 
This is a fantastic quote from someone who owned slaves.

500 YRS FROM NOW PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT you and I WATCHING ADULTS DAMAGE THEIR BRAIN IN A COLISEUM THE SAME WAY WE LOOK AT THE ROMANS AND THEIR BRUTALITY IN A COLISEUM . . . but since you brought up slavery

the party of confederate slavery
party of jim crow laws
party of KKK
party of internment camps
the party of ANTIFA
party of cabrini-green enslavement
party of science/reality deniers
party of killing over 6 times as many humans as Hitler, and those they killed were defenseless children

then there is the party that freed slaves
the party that lays claim to our greatest president
the party that doesn't want to burn this nation's cities
the party that didn't align with anarchists & collectivists
the party that believes in the rule of law

Are you certain the group you're aligned with has the moral high ground?
 
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It's hard to tell. What I see locally things are worse. Likely social media has contributed to that.... Like minds fueling each other.

In my little white privilege former sundown town a black family related to an Illusion no bb player at 14 was ticketed for Jay walking. Never do you see that with others. She was 14 and not a behavior issue. At an marching band competition a parent from our town yelled our a racial slur when Champaign Central was on the field. Seriously.

anecdotal . . . and I'm sure there is evil in every human heart, including yours . . . no one ever said bigotry has been defeated (or that it can be), but the former President of the NAACP said fatherless families do more damage than what you're seeing . . .

 
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Actually kneeling doestdoes bring unity. Did it at a protest. 8:46 is really overwhelming. Something like 2:45 not moving at all. Black, Hispanic and white. Police chief did the siren at 8:46.

800 people in a town of 8000. Made an impact.

When we wave at the hospital, that is meant to unite us. Those saying they will stand want to honor everyone's freedom to make an individual choice. The people calling for bended knee have said "obey or be exiled". Does that sound like uniting people? Not one person in this thread has said they will bend their knee. Not even you. So are you going to bend your knee?
 
Not sure this was meant for me, I did not post in this thread

Since you have now, I'll offer you this. She's 92 and he's 31 with 100 priors. Care to share your feelings on why he is still on the street?


" . . . he coulda been my son . . . "
 
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freddie gray
sam dubose
ahmed aubrey
rodney king
Philando Castile
Terence Crutcher
Alton Sterling
Jamar Clark
Jeremy McDole
William Chapman II
Walter Scott
Eric Harris
Tamir Rice
Akai Gurley
Michael Brown
Eric Garner
george floyd

rayshard brooks: partial record
false imprisonment
cruelty to children
battery
family violence battery
obstruction of an officer
theft


these are the martyrs of BLM --- all of them with lengthy criminal records -- https://blacklivesmatter.com/
have you been to the website? -- where do you think the funding link takes you to? could it be a DNC fundraising website? do you know anything about the founders of BLM? could they be 3 female activists in the LGBTQ community? leaders in the grievance industry?


you know who isn't a hero to these folks?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_David_Dorn

On June 2, 2020, David Dorn, a 77-year-old African-American retired police captain, was fatally shot by a man looting a pawn shop with at least 6 others in the early hours of the morning.

Killed by people "protesting" for Floyd. MSM doesn't talk about this. An actual hero. Why not?

stephan-cannon-murdered-david-dorn.jpg


Want to know where your donations go when you give to www.blacklivesmatter website? Where's all the funding for the black communities, schooling, higher education, jobs, etc. which is sorely needed!? Do I believe that change needs to happen? Absolutely! Do I support or donate to their cause? No. Why? See below. I would rather donate to my local community.
Here are some of the 2020 expenditures from your donations via for the Black Lives Matter website: https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expenditures.php?cmte=c00401224&cycle=2020
 

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Here are some of the 2020 expenditures from your donations via for the Black Lives Matter website: https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expenditures.php?cmte=c00401224&cycle=2020


Organization called Actblue !!

How have you been Brother!!
 
Organization called Actblue !!

How have you been Brother!!

Hey brother! I hope all is well. Long time indeed. Just watching the boards implode from afar. Interesting to say the least. Has this site taken a 180 or what? Unfortunate. We'll have to catch up!
 
500 YRS FROM NOW PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT you and I WATCHING ADULTS DAMAGE THEIR BRAIN IN A COLISEUM THE SAME WAY WE LOOK AT THE ROMANS AND THEIR BRUTALITY IN A COLISEUM . . . but since you brought up slavery

the party of confederate slavery
party of jim crow laws
party of KKK
party of internment camps
the party of ANTIFA
party of cabrini-green enslavement
party of science/reality deniers
party of killing over 6 times as many humans as Hitler, and those they killed were defenseless children

then there is the party that freed slaves
the party that lays claim to our greatest president
the party that doesn't want to burn this nation's cities
the party that didn't align with anarchists & collectivists
the party that believes in the rule of law

Are you certain the group you're aligned with has the moral high ground?

I'm not aligned with a party. I simply made a statement because that quote from Washington caught me as spectacularly hypocritical.

Its kinda like the abortion pro choice people being pissed about illegal immigrant families being split up at the border. Its perfectly okay to remove a living fetus from its mother and kill it but not okay to separate a living child from its mother.

Or like Kaepernick and Lebron James being beacons on social justice here in the US while they are Nike's 2 biggest spokesman. One's head would have to be buried in the sand not to know the human rights atrocities that Nike is involved with in Asia since the 1970s.
 
PC and 4th

Both of you are expressing a lot of frustration about how racism is defined and what appears to be constantly moving goal posts. I'd like to think your attempts at open discussion are genuine efforts at growth, but I guess time will tell.

I'm no expert on the subject,

The point is that it's okay to see these inconsistencies and call them out, as long as you don't use them to blind yourself to the truth about racism, or try to hide behind them as a covert way to cover up true racist attitudes.

Wait wut? You're not an expert on the subject but you know the TRUTH about racism? Sounds like you are an expert. Since you've walked a mile in the shoes of 8 billion people, please share your expertise on the subject.
If you could, start with mentioning all the nations of the earth who have conquered bigotry . . . or maybe just start with the nations where people of all colors are willing to risk their very lives to break into so they can live there.
 
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