Observation from Friday...

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wa1974

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An image has stuck in my head... after Vandenberg threw up that aweful hail mary type pass and was picked off, they cut to him and KOK talking on the bench. My observation was that KOK was being very supportive and talking through the situation with James.

First, I compare that to some of the images we've seen this year of Brian Kelly and Bo Pelini and am thankful that our coaches don't undress our players very often in public forum.

Second, I wonder if this is part of why Iowa develops so many players for the next level. Would any of you agree with the analogy of Kirk, Ken, and Norm being professors of football? In some ways, the results don't matter as much as long as the kids are developing and becoming better players every day. We all learn through mistakes.

I know that many will find this pill hard to swallow, but Kirk openly says their first priority is making sure their players graduation... Second is winning big ten championships... Iowa is very much a development program.

Just some thoughts...
 
Well it unfortunately it is his job to win big ten championships first since he is the head coach of the football team, last I checked he wasn't a professor for the UofI if he'd like to do that take about a 3.9 million paycut then feel free to worry about winning football games second.
 
Wow, a thoughtful, insightful, unemotional post, with a positive spin. Pretty rare on this pathetic, negative message board.
 
I think this is dead on. I also think that usually it leads to wins. If you listen to Belichik talk, he buys into the same philosophy. That is one of the best parts of this staff. The worst parts, unfortunately were also on display this season.
 
Actually I have it from good sources that the two of them were discussing what they had for dinner on Thursday. And then after that discussion, O'Keefe told Vandenberg that he was going to put in an additional play on top of the seven that they always use. But not before the Iowa staff told NE exactly what play they were going to run just to be more fair to NE. Then after thinking about it for awhile Ken decided not to use that 8th play because he and Kirk decided it was way too risky....way to risky.
 
wa1974 said:
first priority is making sure their players graduation... Second is winning big ten championships... Iowa is very much a development program.

Just some thoughts...
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Yeah. Watch any game and the coaches act like that most games. It seems they don't care, coach like they don't care, even the players emulate the coach and play with no emotion like they don't care. It's too bad. We fill Kinnick with 70,000 rabid, excited, loud fans, plus a million or so viewers at home, that all seem to care way more than the coaches or players.

And yes, the Iowa program, it seems, is nothing more or less than a 'developmental league' for the NFL. "If you can put up with 30 or 40 aweful Saturdays, we can get you to play on Sundays"
 
It is possible that now that a majority of the coaching staff has secured jobs they may make teaching and getting players to the next level a priority to winning and the evidence that supports it is that Iowa has a lot of NFL players and not a lot of wins (at least not comparable to the NFL talent).

That said it's an argument I disagree with as I can't imagine anyone who has a career in sports wouldn't want to win first and foremost.
 
koralakers said:
Yeah. Watch any game and the coaches act like that most games. It seems they don't care, coach like they don't care, even the players emulate the coach and play with no emotion like they don't care. It's too bad. We fill Kinnick with 70,000 rabid, excited, loud fans, plus a million or so viewers at home, that all seem to care way more than the coaches or players.

And yes, the Iowa program, it seems, is nothing more or less than a 'developmental league' for the NFL. "If you can put up with 30 or 40 aweful Saturdays, we can get you to play on Sundays"
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Not outwardly expressing emotion (through screaming, yelling, dancing or whatever you equate emotion with though Iowa does all this at times so the belief that they don't is moot anyways) does not equal not caring and people trying to play psychologist from the couch or in the stands is kind of irritating.
 
Kirk at half making adjustments..

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This is such a silly subject that repeatedly gets brought up.

The belief that the coaches don't care because KF doesn't rant and rave all game long on the sidelines.

Football is an emotional game there is no doubt. But do all of you really believe that the more a coach yells and screams and jumps around on the sidelines the more emotional players are?

I see this attitude at mostly the high school level. It is the belief that the more you yell, the better coach you must be. It's ridiculous. That probably was the way things were back in the 1960's when every team lined up in some form of wing-t and an Oklahoma defense.

Yes, you must play with great emotion in today's game, but you must play with controlled aggression in particular on the offensive side of the ball.

At whatoint does yelling for the sake of yelling just become background noise and tuned out? At what point do officials tune you out when you scream at them about every call?

Kirk is plenty emotional. He just picks his spots for effectiveness and relies on his assistants to do the *** chewing. If you don't think those defensive Don't coaches chew *** on game day you dont pay attention.

Of course there are differing philosophical views but a rather stoic head coach is not all that uncommon. On game day there has to be a face and air of composure. It's a game of ups and downs and I will take a steady hand and composure over a lunatic anyway.

Ive been to practices and I can assure you Kirk is an emotional guy.

Who are these emotional head coaches that are so successful?

Bo? Ron Zook? Brian Kelly? Paul Rhodes?

Who are the most successful coaches year in and year out? Bob Stoops is pretty emotional I guess, but he's toned down a lot over the years. I would argue bielema is pretty composed on the sideline and so was Alvarez. Fitzgerald? I guess he is.

Saban isn't over the top. Frank Beamer isn't super emotional. Chris Petersen is composed, Bill Snyder is composed.

The best coach in football right now is belichick, and you can see some similarities in demeanor between the two ( demeanor is about where the similarities end however).

I have no issue with kirk's sideline demeanor, and his demeanor isn't really that unusual in the game today.
 
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