Objective Frost / Ferentz Comparison
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Yes because god forbid a college football player wants to live with his teammates.
I can agree it was a bad look, but it wasn't Kirk being greedy.
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DDThompson
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Delusional sections of fan base:
PUSH
IowaLawWasRight
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What's hilarious is Stanzi's ignorant post. Don't let the facts get in the way of a completely stupid statement. Ferentz didn't inherit a talentless squad from Hayden at all. In fact, he inherited arguably one of the most talented teams Iowa has had. Just a few quick examples that come to mind:
1. Bruce Nelson and Eric Steinbach, arguably two of the best OL ever to play at Iowa, were recruited by Hayden and played 3 years under Kirk. Bruce was drafted by Carolina and Steinbach was drafted by Bengals and spent 10 yrs in the NFL.
2. Ladell Betts was a redshirt sophomore when Ferentz arrived. He was all Big 10 in 2001, and was drafted by the Redskins. I believe Betts has more rushing yards in the NFL than anyone recruited by Kirk in 20 years.
3. Kevin Kasper was only Iowa's all time leading WR. He was a junior when Kirk arrived and was drafted by the Denver Broncos in 2001. Kasper has more receptions in the NFL than any WR ever recruited in 20 years by Kirk.
4. Aaron Kampman played 1 year under Hayden and 3 years under Kirk and was drafted by the Packers.
Give me a break. Kirk inherited some of the best players in Iowa history...I don't think Frost can say the same.
1. Bruce Nelson and Eric Steinbach, arguably two of the best OL ever to play at Iowa, were recruited by Hayden and played 3 years under Kirk. Bruce was drafted by Carolina and Steinbach was drafted by Bengals and spent 10 yrs in the NFL.
2. Ladell Betts was a redshirt sophomore when Ferentz arrived. He was all Big 10 in 2001, and was drafted by the Redskins. I believe Betts has more rushing yards in the NFL than anyone recruited by Kirk in 20 years.
3. Kevin Kasper was only Iowa's all time leading WR. He was a junior when Kirk arrived and was drafted by the Denver Broncos in 2001. Kasper has more receptions in the NFL than any WR ever recruited in 20 years by Kirk.
4. Aaron Kampman played 1 year under Hayden and 3 years under Kirk and was drafted by the Packers.
Give me a break. Kirk inherited some of the best players in Iowa history...I don't think Frost can say the same.
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I am just hoping the fans up close on the east side were reminding him of this all game long on Friday.
Sounds like you are a Scott Frost fan boy!
Stanzi
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LOL show me on the doll where I hurt you.
You listed 5 players and only 3 of them (Betts, Kasper, Kampman) were actually contributors Ferentz's first two years. 3 players isn't going to make a difference when most of the team isn't very talented.
okeefe4prez
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He's got a good point, though. Nelson and Steinbach were huge for the 2002 run and the NFL successes of Betts and Kasper don't lie.
One other gem that Hayden left behind was Bielema. Bielema pulled a lot of talent out of Florida and it prolly ain't an accident that there was sustained success for a few years after Bielema left and then things kind of hit a cliff with a couple of peaks ('09 and '15) and otherwise sustained mediocrity.
lightning1
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There certainly was some talent on the team that KF inherited but as another poster stated, the talent was limited and there was very little depth.
It was nowhere near the top 25 recruiting classes that Frost inherited. Not even remotely close.
hawkdrummer1
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It's become increasingly popular to dis Hayden. Did you know that he personally set fire to the coaching offices and set live chickens loose in the locker room?
okeefe4prez
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Yeah, that's probably true. I just don't know how accurate those recruiting rankings are. Sure, as a general matter if you are pulling top 10 classes and you are 4-5 stars all up and down your two deep, you're probably going to be good, but outside of a few elite programs that are pulling multiple years of elite players (OSU, Clemson, Bama, Oklahoma, etc.) I don't see them holding up that well. It's just too hard to know who is going to pan out in 2 or 3 years and there seems to be a lot of feedback based on teams that are recruiting a guy. Teams like USC and Florida State should be freaking dominant, but they suck. It's basically come down to hoping like hell you have a stud QB, a splash skill player or two, a great rush end and no gaping holes in the rest of your team.
I mean, I get that Nebraska has had highly ranked recruiting classes, but that team was not materially more talented than Troy save for that Stanley Morgan kid Nebraska has. Martinez will be better than any QB Troy has by next year, but he was Frost's guy. I take your point that Frost walked into a better situation than Kirk, but those team recruiting rankings can be pretty questionable.
Don't blame Stanzi for you making a shitty post and nobody agreeing.
Except Kirk continued his success with his own guys in 03 and 04, proving that while the Hayden leftovers were key pieces, he really was building something.
HawkeyeTech
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So how many stars did these guys have? Or were they successful due to Ferentz/Doyle's efforts?
BTW, here are the recruiting rankings from Rivals for Iowa and Nebraska from '13 thru '17:
22. NEBRASKA
Ranks last 5 years: 20, 26, 28, 32, 17
49. IOWA
Ranks last 5 years: 40, 42, 59, 56, 51
Looks like the cupboard wasn't bare for Frosty.
