Objective Frost / Ferentz Comparison

[WinOneThisCentury]

So how many stars did these guys have? Or were they successful due to Ferentz/Doyle's efforts?
BTW, here are the recruiting rankings from Rivals for Iowa and Nebraska from '13 thru '17:

22. NEBRASKA
Ranks last 5 years: 20, 26, 28, 32, 17

49. IOWA
Ranks last 5 years: 40, 42, 59, 56, 51

Looks like the cupboard wasn't bare for Frosty.

The problem Frost has is that the minute these recruits step on campus, they buy into the hype and delusion. Advantage Ferentz. That's how you get beat by Troy at home. LOL...the great Scott Frost, looking to prove something after losing to Colorado...loses to Troy. That was a special moment I may never forget. For those of us who hate Nebraska...this was like a Holy Grail moment.

But Scott, really wanting to outdo himself, strolled into the Big House for a huge beatdown the next week. Each week for six weeks, he gave us all something special.

 

[Northside Hawk]

This is neither here nor there but there's another Hayden recruit that Kirk inherited who played six years in the NFL. Matt Bowen.

 

[lightning1]

This is neither here nor there but there's another Hayden recruit that Kirk inherited who played six years in the NFL. Matt Bowen.

There were a lot of players that KF inherited, that turned out really good. By the time 2001 rolled around, the HF SR starters were:
Kyle McCann (which we can all agree was a mistake)
Ladell Betts
Kahlil Hill
Ben Sobieski
David Porter
Alonzo Cunningham
Aaron Kampman
Jerry Montgomery
Derrick Pickens
Mike Dolezal
Matt Stockdale
That's 11 starters, with a lot of other contributors. That's half of the starting offense and defense. Hmmm, maybe it's time to rethink the ol' "take away Kirk Ferentz's first 2 years because the cupboard was empty" nonsense.

 

[iloveyoularrystation]

this might be my favorite post ever on this site

 

[MoseSchrute]

Will get busted in the not so distant future for substantial recruiting violations:

Advantage Frost.

You have no idea how much joy that would give me if it happened.

 

[Northside Hawk]

There were a lot of players that KF inherited, that turned out really good. By the time 2001 rolled around, the HF SR starters were:
Kyle McCann (which we can all agree was a mistake)
Ladell Betts
Kahlil Hill
Ben Sobieski
David Porter
Alonzo Cunningham
Aaron Kampman
Jerry Montgomery
Derrick Pickens
Mike Dolezal
Matt Stockdale
That's 11 starters, with a lot of other contributors. That's half of the starting offense and defense. Hmmm, maybe it's time to rethink the ol' "take away Kirk Ferentz's first 2 years because the cupboard was empty" nonsense.

To this day, one of my all time favorite Kirk era Hawkeyes is a player on this list that most have completely forgotten about. Derrick Pickens. He was a monster on the DL down the stretch in 2001 and ended up being the Alamo Bowl MVP against stiff competition (Kaeding's 4 field goals).

It's a shame he missed the monumental 2002 season by only one year.

 

[Stanzi]

There were a lot of players that KF inherited, that turned out really good. By the time 2001 rolled around, the HF SR starters were:
Kyle McCann (which we can all agree was a mistake)
Ladell Betts
Kahlil Hill
Ben Sobieski
David Porter
Alonzo Cunningham
Aaron Kampman
Jerry Montgomery
Derrick Pickens
Mike Dolezal
Matt Stockdale
That's 11 starters, with a lot of other contributors. That's half of the starting offense and defense. Hmmm, maybe it's time to rethink the ol' "take away Kirk Ferentz's first 2 years because the cupboard was empty" nonsense.

I don't remember most of the guys you listed outside of the stars. I'm not sure "senior starters" really means much. Okay, they started, that doesn't mean they were all that good.

2000: 2 players drafted
2001: 1 player drafted
2002: 3 players drafted

Out of those 3 years only Betts was taken before the 5th round. That's the best example of the lack of talent we had.

Compare that to 2003 through 2005 once Ferentz's guys were getting drafted.

2003: 5 players drafted
2004: 5 players drafted
2005: 5 players drafted

9 of those players were drafted before the 5th round.

 

[lightning1]

I don't remember most of the guys you listed outside of the stars. I'm not sure "senior starters" really means much. Okay, they started, that doesn't mean they were all that good.

2000: 2 players drafted
2001: 1 player drafted
2002: 3 players drafted

Out of those 3 years only Betts was taken before the 5th round. That's the best example of the lack of talent we had.

Compare that to 2003 through 2005 once Ferentz's guys were getting drafted.

2003: 5 players drafted
2004: 5 players drafted
2005: 5 players drafted

9 of those players were drafted before the 5th round.

I'm not arguing that he had BETTER talent with Hayden's players. Not even close. I'm saying that he had some talent. Quite a few of those guys had a cup of coffee in the NFL. If you don't remember those names....you're a shitty Hawkeye fan. Or a really young one. You pick.

 

[Stanzi]

I'm not arguing that he had BETTER talent with Hayden's players. Not even close. I'm saying that he had some talent. Quite a few of those guys had a cup of coffee in the NFL. If you don't remember those names....you're a shitty Hawkeye fan. Or a really young one. You pick.

The latter. I was still in middle school when Ferentz took over. I didn't really get in to football until my senior year of high school.

 

[hwk23]

State of the Programs:

Whines after losses: Advantage Frost
Bush league antics before games: Advantage Frost
Delusion about State of Program: Advantage Frost (save the B10 Championship Date Scottie)
Fan the flames of delusional fan base: Advantage Frost
Won / Loss Record - Advantage Ferentz

Throws players under the bus and blames former coaches but never himself - Advantage Frost

 

[hwk23]

Plenty of threads have been devoted to bashing Nebraska on this board. Rightfully so. They are a rival, they have an unfounded ego, and they suck at pretty much all sports. But now that the dust has settled, someone has to give credit where credit is due and illustrate a comparison.

Demographics. Both Frost and Kirk inherited nearly identical train wrecks at historic powerhouses in small population states. Push

State of the Program. Kirk took over a 3-8 program. Frost took over a 4-8 program. Push

Inherited Roster. Kirk inherited a squad with several star athletes (Bruce Nelson, Eric Steinbach, Ladell Betts, Kevin Kasper, Aaron Kampman). Frost inherited a squad with one or two star athletes (WR Morgan, RB Ozigbo, Barry). Push

Record. Kirk went 1-10. Frost went 4-8. Advantage Frost

Method of Building the Program. Kirk took over and built the program up the right way, without a lot of JUCOs or quick fixes. Frost took over and built the program up the right way, despite coaching in the "grad transfer" era, where it would have been easy to poach a starting QB to plug a gap (i.e. the Harbaugh method). Instead, Frost chose to start a freshmen QB in Adrian Martinez and got 500 yards rushing out of freshmen RB Maurice Washington. Push

Recruiting. Frost already has 5 commits from 4 star recruits and a Top 20 recruiting class. Kirk and Brian, on the other hand, still have ZERO commits from 4 star recruits and a Top 50 recruiting class. Advantage Frost

Trends. Nebraska went 4-2 in their last 6 games. Their two losses were close games against Iowa and Ohio State. The Hawks went 3-3, with close losses to mediocre teams. Advantage Frost

Head to head matchup. Iowa beat Nebraska, but it was a home game, on senior day, with a last second 3 point margin of victory. At Nebraska, the home field advantage likely shifts the score a bit. Advantage Kirk

Next Year's Roster. Nebraska graduates 4 on offense and 4 on defense. Iowa graduates 5 on offense (counting Fant) and 5 on defense. Advantage Frost

Ease of Next Year's Schedule. Nebraska plays Colorado in non-conference, and OSU at home from the East. Iowa plays ISU in non-conference, and at Michigan & home against Penn State from the East. Advantage Frost.

Next year’s roster on defense is definitely advantage KF. We might be better at every position and we were the #1 scoring defense in the BIG this year.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

this might be my favorite post ever on this site

 

[ClintonIAfan]

The clowns, goofers, and bugeaters all tried to get better than Iowa, but Coach Ferentz is better than all of them. He is 6-0 against those overrated coaches.

 

[DDThompson]

No IowaLaw


Advantage: CornNation

 

[DDThompson]

The clowns, goofers, and bugeaters all tried to get better than Iowa, but Coach Ferentz is better than all of them. He is 6-0 against those overrated coaches.

Prohm, Chryst, Fitz?

 

[Robowe]