Fryowa
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I’ve been in the business world a really long time, long enough to know people don’t always do what’s rational. Especially when bad blood is involved.
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Yup... Would be interesting to know the numbers involved with what it takes to maintain/operate and value. It's only worth what they'd be willing to sell it for and what a buyer would be willing to pay. Sounds like from what Rob had said those two things are pretty far apart. And that's too bad.
Zstatman
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I seem to remember that Rob went through this once before and he didn't like it from a financial standpoint, at least that was my guess.
Remember when he went with Pat Harty on hawkfanatic several years ago. It must have been a slower go than he wanted, and he jumped ship and went back to hawkeyenation, probably for a steadier income stream.
I remember when he took that big pay cut he mentioned in the podcast. He mentioned he was posting some stuff that was out there that he knew might come back and bite him, which it evidently did. I don't remember what it was he was posting.
Bottom line, IMO, is that Rob has a healthy respect for what it takes to build a Hawkeye website.
Personally, I hope HN doesn't go away, but it might. There are , though, other Hawk message boards out there.
Such as? Since it sure looks like this one is going to disappear.
JoeyLabasForPresident
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https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/ gets by far the most traction. I know @CP87 posts there under the same screen name. Probably others as well. I occasionally lurk when things are slow here but have never made an account.
JoeyLabasForPresident
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We could start up a HawkeyeNation ExPat Discord, if we want to get with the times. I much prefer the forum format, though. A lot of forums have moved to Discord.
Fryowa
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Discord is the way to go but getting people to adopt would be tough. And you also lose the simple sub-forum format like on message boards so that's kinda tough.
Zstatman
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Two weeks ago I'd never heard of Discord. Then my son quit his corporate job and decided he wanted to give streaming a go via World of Warcraft. Now I have Discord on my computer but I'm still trying to figure it out.
He's on twitch, tiktok, youtube, on my phone, what is the world coming to.
He's buttatv for those inclined.
I do not, actually. Somebody is trying to steal my identity?
NorthKCHawk
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God damn, Millenials. Kidding. I have a 19 year old living above my garage who got straight As his first year in college and then decided that a college education was antiquated. Now he sells life insurance and DJs on the weekends. Oh well, gotta let them grow and learn I guess.
Fryowa
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Mine is getting his tuition paid to run at a community college while learning to be an electrician (which he's super interested in). In a lot of ways a college education is antiquated; if I had it to do over I wouldn't have gone the 4 year route. In our uber low C.O.L. area of the country he can be making very low six figures within a few years working with his hands. I wish I had decided to do that.
Fryowa
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Dammit. I was hoping you weren't going to find out.
NorthKCHawk
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I don't disagree that college is not as valuable as it was a generation ago, and in a gig economy there are lots of good paths to make money without it. My son is making a hell of a lot more than I did at his age.
My concern, however, is that the college experience was a really good one for me and a lot of people. 4 years to make life long friends, have fun, get smarter, and slowly grow up. Work is hard. I don't get wanting to rush into it, but he is a grown up now and that was his call.
Fryowa
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I get it.
As long as one's kids are happy and healthy that's all you can ask.
I also think the college experience is somewhat overblown. I know when I went to college it wasn't like that, I had no play money and my parents were just as broke as me. My kid wouldn't have that college experience really either because while I'm not broke, I don't have the money to pay tuition, housing, spending money, etc. If he went to a 4 year school he'd have to work a job the whole time including summers, have an $80,000 ish bill waiting for him when he's done, and he doesn't want any part of that. I really applaud him for being concerned with debt at his age, and I always was afraid that he'd see all his buddies going to 4 year schools for this or that and feel the need to follow them just because.
He'll get 2 years of really good training for something he really wants to do, an associated degree in case he ever wants to get a bachelors degree, and no loans when he's done. The need for electricians is so great where I live that there are tons of places within driving distance that advertise paying off tuition if you go to work for them And in those 2 years he'll meet the same kind of friends he would at a 4 year school. Also, the way skilled trades get paid nowadays he'll have made WAY more money than I had by 44.
Everyone's different but my son wants to have a couple more years running competitively, and then get out in the world to make some money and buy himself the things his parents couldn't give him like a house, truck, hobby stuff. I can't fault any of that (as long as I get grandkids in the next 6-8 years
)I get it.
As long as one's kids are happy and healthy that's all you can ask.
I also think the college experience is somewhat overblown. I know when I went to college it wasn't like that, I had no play money and my parents were just as broke as me. My kid wouldn't have that college experience really either because while I'm not broke, I don't have the money to pay tuition, housing, spending money, etc. If he went to a 4 year school he'd have to work a job the whole time including summers, have an $80,000 ish bill waiting for him when he's done, and he doesn't want any part of that. I really applaud him for being concerned with debt at his age, and I always was afraid that he'd see all his buddies going to 4 year schools for this or that and feel the need to follow them just because.
He'll get 2 years of really good training for something he really wants to do, an associated degree in case he ever wants to get a bachelors degree, and no loans when he's done. The need for electricians is so great where I live that there are tons of places within driving distance that advertise paying off tuition if you go to work for them And in those 2 years he'll meet the same kind of friends he would at a 4 year school. Also, the way skilled trades get paid nowadays he'll have made WAY more money than I had by 44.
Everyone's different but my son wants to have a couple more years running competitively, and then get out in the world to make some money and buy himself the things his parents couldn't give him like a house, truck, hobby stuff. I can't fault any of that (as long as I get grandkids in the next 6-8 years
We need to lose the societal stigma that if you don't go to a 4 year school, you are somehow less than. Trades take hard work, lots of knowledge, and lots of problem-solving. I think there can be great value in a 4-year college experience, but there are plenty of students who just waste their parents' money and 4 years of their life. They would be better off working or learning a trade (I also don't hate the idea of mandatory civil service).
NorthKCHawk
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I think that stigma has been fading for a while, but its getting thrown out the window by Gen Z. First, when my plumber is charging me $120 an hour, I know someone has a six figure salary. I think that is becoming true of just about every skilled trade these days. In addition, Gen Z more and more sees college as optional, and sees how Millenials went 6 figures in debt for college and then couldn't find a job during the Great Recession and pandemic. Times have changed for sure.
Fryowa
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There's a decent size electrical contractor a couple towns over who talked to my son at a job fair thing last week trying to get him to come work for them when he graduates. There's some travel, but they pay you your entire 2 yr electrical program tuition to you over 4 years regardless of if you already paid it or not. My son's tools and tuition will come to about $20K, but he's getting money to run track and XC, etc...he told them that and they said just show us your diploma and your invoices and we pay you that amount over 4 years. Doesn't matter if your parents already paid for it or not.
There's some travel involved which my kid is fine with as a young single guy, but they told him within 3-4 years they rotate you back locally. Even if they don't, you can jump ship if you don't like it and go a million other places looking for electricians. What I thought was cool was they do all the travel arrangements/booking but let you keep all the airline miles (common thing some places but not normally in the trades). Their techs all travel by airline and tools/materials are trucked to wherever they happen to be working. I know a couple people who work there and they drive REALLY nice vehicles and have houses worth multiple times what mine is worth.
trj
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You just beat me to the punch I was going to post something very similar. I’m a GenXer and you were almost expected to go to a 4-year college and if you didn’t, you felt that “less than” societal stigma that @CP87 was talking about. I grew up in an era where community college was referred to as “glorified high school”. That is definitely not the case now.
That stigma is still there, but as you stated, it has been fading for a while now. Baby boomers, who went to college thinking they would come out and be able to change the world are dead or really, really old. GenXers started to re-think the idea of college with their own children, and as you stated, it has completely changed now.
NorthKCHawk
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Sounds like a good deal, Fry. I love that he still wants to run track.
The great thing about skilled trades like this is that AI aint going to replace them. The world will always need electricians, plumbers and repair guys. I am marking the day when the first AI lawyer shows up to face me in court.
Fryowa
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I saw chat gpt passed the bar a while back including the essay portion.Sounds like a good deal, Fry. I love that he still wants to run track.
The great thing about skilled trades like this is that AI aint going to replace them. The world will always need electricians, plumbers and repair guys. I am marking the day when the first AI lawyer shows up to face me in court.
