NEXT YEAR WITHOUT MARBLE

[STILLBUSTER]

I love Marble and his pure athleticism, but I don't see as big a drop-off next year without him as people think. I think Jok can step in to provide that athleticism and perhaps without Marble, White will step up, because I still he is tentative even though he has flashed outstanding physical play this year.

PJ is a shooter, 1st, a slasher, 2nd, and might make up some offense lost by Dev's graduation, however, he's not even close to Dev on D (let alone D-1 caliber D). More often than not, when Dev has disappeared, so has AW. He's had plenty of opportunities, lately, and was usually no where to be found.

 

[DaBears]

I love Marble and his pure athleticism, but I don't see as big a drop-off next year without him as people think. I think Jok can step in to provide that athleticism and perhaps without Marble, White will step up, because I still he is tentative even though he has flashed outstanding physical play this year.

You're jok(ing) right?!

Marble is the ONLY guy that create is own shot, run the offense and get to the hoop with ease on this team.

 

[STILLBUSTER]

Mixed feelings about the loss of Dev. Great kid and he's been key in many games. But we rely way too much on the NBA-style clear out for him to go 1 on 1. The end of regulation last night a good example. I think his absence may actually help the team grow.

Yeah, many times others have been caught watching Dev do his thing. However, it's still pretty noticeable when he's been m.i.a. and the rest haven't been able to match his production. Maybe another offseason will lead to someone's talent blowing up but, based on the last couple seasons when he's not produced, I'll wait and see.

 

[WindsorHawk]

stupid thread.

let's figure out how to close tight games WITH marble before crying about next season.

So why did you open it? The thread title made the subject pretty clear. Also, I don't consider a conversation about next year's team to be "crying."

 

[WindsorHawk]

IMO - Gatens played his best his senior year. May played his best his senior year. Marble and Basabe are playing their best their senior year. I suspect White, Olaseni and Oglesby will also play their best next season. Player development is a very good thing.

Edit - We also have 4 sophomores playing significant minutes. All should improve.

 

[BILLBUCKNER]

I still believe that Uthoff is the player that can blow up for us like Staska(sp?) of Michigan. A guy that can take a game over. All he is lacking is conidence. It could still happen this year..Hopfully when March comes.

 

[blkngldFRO]

I guess I don't see marble as a go to player. I am always a little perplex when people use that term to describe him. He has yet to hit that final seconds game winning shot for the hawks. Maybe I am wrong, but I do not recall him ever making a shot to win the game at the end. To me you have to have a few of those winning shots to be considered your go to guy. That’s what I think of when someone uses the term go to guy.

 

[WindsorHawk]

I like Marble a lot and he's crucial to our success. But these are his numbers over the past 5 games which must improve for us to be our best moving forward...9 and 14. These are his assists and turnovers over the past 5 games. I don't know if he's gotten selfish or is focusing on contributing more points and forgetting to look for his teammates. I know with absolute certainty that he did not pass to White in transition for a dunk at least once against Michigan, Northwestern and Michigan State...play was there and he drove or shot instead.

Backcourt last night (Gesell, Marble, Oglesby and Clemmons) - 3 assists and 3 turnovers... Of course Michigan State has the best backcourt in the Big 10 on both ends of the court IMO.

Anyone that routinely reads my posts knows I don't bash players and love all of the guys on the team. I'm not down on Marble or anyone else. I'm just pointing out something that will help us tremendously when Marble gets his entire game going at the same time.

Marble now has 11 assists and 20 turnovers in his last 6 games. My point is we can still play much better by mid March...and Dev has to quit turning the ball over.

 

[DDThompson]

So why did you open it? The thread title made the subject pretty clear. Also, I don't consider a conversation about next year's team to be "crying."

So I could say, "stupid thread" obviously.

Why are you talking about Dev's last six games this season in a thread about not having Dev next season? Seems a bit odd -- especially for such a logical guy like you.

 

[WindsorHawk]

So I could say, "stupid thread" obviously.

Why are you talking about Dev's last six games this season in a thread about not having Dev next season? Seems a bit odd -- especially for such a logical guy like you.

I get off on tangents sometimes... And if you think it's a stupid thread you certainly have the right to your opinion...have said the same thing myself in other threads.

 

[ICHAWK]

Mixed feelings about the loss of Dev. Great kid and he's been key in many games. But we rely way too much on the NBA-style clear out for him to go 1 on 1. The end of regulation last night a good example. I think his absence may actually help the team grow.

This is what happens when teams play 30 seconds of defense and force teams into end of clock situations. Fran is not running an iso ofense, he is running a lot of curls, screens and post ups. Hoiberg runs iso in that he creates an unbalanced floor to pull defenders away from being able to help. Marble gets stuck with the ball in end of clock situations because he is about the only guy who can create to get a shot off. Mike G is ok but he is short and sometimes cant always get enough space to get a shot off.

 

[BigD]

Dev will be missed next year. Hopefully someone will step forward next season to be the go to guy.

 

[JonDMiller]

Iowa is definitely going to feel his loss. I think Jok will take some steps forward and can become a more dynamic scorer...his biggest improvements must and will come on defense. I think others can fill the scoring void, but as the OP said, the breakdown at crucial times will be missed...he has carried this team at times when it has needed it.

 

[kctom]

A. First thought is Why worry about this now? Aren't there other things more important?

B. Is this what MICH thought last yr, ? What oh what are we going to do without Trey and Timmy H?

C. Have we lost confidence in Fran and his system? Or his 7 returning and incoming recruits?

Although the question of How will Iowa replace Marble is appropriate, How will Iowa ever succeed w/out Marble seems to discount all the positives that Fran has assembled. Iowa should return close 2/3 of the offense with plenty of excess high efficiency capacity remaining.

Sometimes I think we Iowans see always tend to see the glass half empty.

 

[1hawkeye1]

He is not a great player

 

[longtimer]

sure sorry if if the thread diverts attention from the good year we are having. Wasnt my intention. I am just interested in Iowa reestablishing a good program for some time to come. the question I have is If we are tied with 15 seconds to go who do you really want to have the ball? I still think it is Marble. He hasnt always come through but I think he is the best at creating as a "go to guy" Awfully important to have that guy and I just have some concern as to who that might be next year. We have some good players but not sure anyone that fits the bill "at least at this point"

 

[WindsorHawk]

If no one steps up to be "the guy" then Gesell will probably have the ball and there will be a set play with multiple options. Drive to the basket. Try to score on the drive. Kick it to Oglesby for a 3. Get it to White cutting to the basket. Pull up for for a jump shot. Kick it to Uthoff for a 3. Get it to Uthoff cutting to the basket. Lob it to Olaseni for a dunk. You get the idea.

 

[kctom]

No question in my mind that next yr in last possession I want Aaron White with the ball.

He can drive and draw foul, has a multitude of moves (some unorthodox for sure) and has uncanny knack to draw fouls, and make FTs at highest %.

I ca not recall Marble coming thru at all on the 1v1 ISO in last possession, but do recall several poor shots and turnovers in that role.

I'd give it to Whitey and take my chances and I think Iowa will see more points than marble as given us in those same situations.

I think Dev has earned the right this yr and that White has earned in for next yr. ( remember that crazy runner he hit vs tOSU while diving it in from the top of the key as the shot clock expired?)

IMHO

 

[WindsorHawk]

No question in my mind that next yr in last possession I want Aaron White with the ball.

He can drive and draw foul, has a multitude of moves (some unorthodox for sure) and has uncanny knack to draw fouls, and make FTs at highest %.

I ca not recall Marble coming thru at all on the 1v1 ISO in last possession, but do recall several poor shots and turnovers in that role.

I'd give it to Whitey and take my chances and I think Iowa will see more points than marble as given us in those same situations.

I think Dev has earned the right this yr and that White has earned in for next yr. ( remember that crazy runner he hit vs tOSU while diving it in from the top of the key as the shot clock expired?)

IMHO

I agree that it should be White with the ball and that's what I envision. However, in my scenario I was addressing what to do if we don't have "the guy." That seems to be the concern. I'm not concerned because I think White will be "the guy."

 

[hawkfan33]

I agree that it should be White with the ball and that's what I envision. However, in my scenario I was addressing what to do if we don't have "the guy." That seems to be the concern. I'm not concerned because I think White will be "the guy."

White is so selective with his shots right now that I have a hard time seeing him become "the guy" next year. White took 4 shots against MSU, 4 against Villanova, 5 against Xavier. Does he have it in him to be the guy who takes 20+ shots in certain games where the offense is struggling and needs someone to score?