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SteveGarvey1
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Yep. Iowa St. and two cupcakes. Kirk's formula for success > elevating the brand.
ArvadaHawk
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geeeez. if we're not afraid of any other team, then lets play them.
Kennyfromminne
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Not playing quality ooc opponents is why Iowa doesn't get the respect many think they are due.
hawkdrummer1
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Yep. Unfortunately KFz tends to see the non-conf like preseason games. a team like Arkansas, Oregon, North Carolina or yes...Notre Dame...would also put butts in the seats.
judzeehawk
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Didn't know ND became a power house.
hawkeyebob62
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From page 106 of Al Grady's "25 Years With the Fighting Hawkeyes": However, Iowa came away from the hard-hitting defensive game with a lot of players banged up, and Fry again commented on the philosophy of scheduling. "We enjoy the challenge of big intersectional games", he said, "but they don't count toward the championship. It's a lot easier playing a team that is not as physically strong. You're not so beaten up, you look good and you gain confidence. That is the only way to win consistently is to have a great schedule".
From page 95 of the same book: "Next year we'll have Nebraska right where we want 'em", said Hayden. "Off our schedule"
And finally, from page 110: It was important to note that finally...finally...Iowa was through "warming up" against teams like Penn State and Nebraska and Oklahoma and UCLA. The non-conference schedule was Drake, Northern Illinois and Iowa State. And if some critics wanted to pooh-pooh that sort of schedule, it was okay with Fry.
There you have it folks. The (possible) origin of the "modern" Iowa schedule philosophy.
The fact is, Notre Dame, and many others, won't do a home-and-home. They either want two games in THEIR stadium, or, at best, a two-and-one, with the "one" in Iowa City being the last game. Which, of course, gives them time to find another team and back out of the game in Iowa City by paying a nominal (for a blue-blood) cost.
No $EC team is coming to Iowa City. Put that dream away. Missouri, as a Big 12 member, backed out in order to play some less-than-powerful team from an after-thought conference. They aren't busting down walls to play now. There are some ACC and Pac 12 teams that will do it. But with nine-game schedule and the continued hard-on to play Iowa State every year on a home-and-home basis, there is no way around the fact that most years will feature one cupcake and a MAC/Mountain West/Sun Belt/C-USA type of team. If we could crystal ball ISU staying "down", that would be one thing, but as long as they treat the game as their Super Bowl, Iowa has to continue treating it like a P5 game.
From page 95 of the same book: "Next year we'll have Nebraska right where we want 'em", said Hayden. "Off our schedule"
And finally, from page 110: It was important to note that finally...finally...Iowa was through "warming up" against teams like Penn State and Nebraska and Oklahoma and UCLA. The non-conference schedule was Drake, Northern Illinois and Iowa State. And if some critics wanted to pooh-pooh that sort of schedule, it was okay with Fry.
There you have it folks. The (possible) origin of the "modern" Iowa schedule philosophy.
The fact is, Notre Dame, and many others, won't do a home-and-home. They either want two games in THEIR stadium, or, at best, a two-and-one, with the "one" in Iowa City being the last game. Which, of course, gives them time to find another team and back out of the game in Iowa City by paying a nominal (for a blue-blood) cost.
No $EC team is coming to Iowa City. Put that dream away. Missouri, as a Big 12 member, backed out in order to play some less-than-powerful team from an after-thought conference. They aren't busting down walls to play now. There are some ACC and Pac 12 teams that will do it. But with nine-game schedule and the continued hard-on to play Iowa State every year on a home-and-home basis, there is no way around the fact that most years will feature one cupcake and a MAC/Mountain West/Sun Belt/C-USA type of team. If we could crystal ball ISU staying "down", that would be one thing, but as long as they treat the game as their Super Bowl, Iowa has to continue treating it like a P5 game.
HawkGold
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There were a lot of similarities between KF and HF that many fans don't understand. Ironically HF thought the cupcakes would lead to fewer injuries, but my now fading memory tells me that wasn't the case.
ArvadaHawk
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At least Hayden won those games 52-0 instead of losing some of them. Times have changed; recruiting is national for everyone with 24 hour news cycles, social media, etc, Maybe 35 years ago Iowa fielded physically weaker teams than the big boys; but that certainly would not be true, today. Now that we're in an age of National Championship Playoffs, your non conference helps or hurts you when it comes to post season. Hayden had 1 less non con per season than kirk has. That makes it completely different. Why not play Alabama on a neutral field to get a huge t.v. splash? Many folks on this board were against playing kNU on Black Friday. Now, we understand the benefits of playing that game (now that we've won some).
hawkdrummer1
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Notre Dame always gets disproportionate coverage...that's no secret. Their "brand" sells. Might as well leverage that...especially since they're not the juggernaut they used to be. Bring 'em into Kinnick and stomp on 'em. Playing at South Bend couldn't hurt recruiting either.
HawkGold
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Actually HF had a bad bad bad loss to Tulsa. If I'm remembering straight, when they scheduled KSU and Colorado, they were terrible, but on the upswing when they caught Iowa.
Good point but if Iowa got an Oklahoma St/UCLA/ North Carolina/Tennessee type team on their schedule they would also have 2 cupcakes every season. ISU and whatever other cupcake they schedule
mopkins
King Kong
The solution is either Iowa State gets good or iowa state has to be removed from the schedule. Wisconsin doesn't have a power 5 in-state rivalry that the Iowa Corn Growers demand like Iowa does.
Also, Wisconsin and ND are playing at Lambeau and Soldier Field. So they are neutral locations, not home/home.
Also, Wisconsin and ND are playing at Lambeau and Soldier Field. So they are neutral locations, not home/home.
HobbieHawk
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Tulsa was an away game
HawkGold
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Yes, it was a you play most at our place and well come to you. They played 4 times over about 8 years.
guffus
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Right, so if Iowa/ND struck a similar deal, where would they play? Would they play 2 games at Soldier Field? In reality, it would probably be a 1 game only deal at Soldier Field.
mopkins
King Kong
Yeah, similar to when Iowa played Northern Illinois at Soldier Field. I'd probably be in favor of Iowa taking a break from Iowa State maybe every other year. Play Iowa State one year, then play a neutral opponent the other? Could work out.
The bottom line is that if Iowa would have beaten Michigan State in the BTT game they would have been in the college football playoff with a clear shot at a national title. So no matter what their regular season schedule is has no real impact on their ability to win.
kameltoez102
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Has there ever been any talk about the Big Ten and lets say the ACC of doing what they do in basketwork with the big Ten and ACC challenge, How would that be a bad deal for anyone? Sign a couple year contract and set the matchups. Would create some buzz and would be an easy Marketing tool for both conferences. I am sure TV money would be good especially for some of the potential games
