NCAA ready to allow Power 5 their own autonomy
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Ah, the can of worms of College Football and Basketball is getting opened. Autonomy means less oversight, this could be interesting if it comes to pass.
Not sure that the NCAA was doing much positive for the big sports anyway but I think the NCAA was great for the smaller sports.
NCAA College Football could stand on its own like AAA Baseball as a feeder system to the NFL, Canada, etc
Not sure that the NCAA was doing much positive for the big sports anyway but I think the NCAA was great for the smaller sports.
NCAA College Football could stand on its own like AAA Baseball as a feeder system to the NFL, Canada, etc
Div 1 Bball is huge , not just football , what with 300 teams playing 300 games a week in front of good crowds, conf tournaments and of course the big dance.
MeatMan
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but how many of them actually make money? i bet you'd be surprised how few schools actually make a profit on b-ball. now i'm curious, so i'm going to see if i can look it up...
MeatMan
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Schools raising fees to keep up with cost of college sports - USATODAY.com
according to that article, considering all sports, Iowa was one of only 7 schools in 2010 to actually make a profit in their athletic department.
Most NCAA Division I athletic departments take subsidies
you might be surprised with how many SEC schools are surviving off of subsidies.
College basketball?s most profitable men?s programs - Memphis Business Journal
some schools make a lot of money in b-ball though. couldn't find any current figures on iowa b-ball.
according to that article, considering all sports, Iowa was one of only 7 schools in 2010 to actually make a profit in their athletic department.
Most NCAA Division I athletic departments take subsidies
you might be surprised with how many SEC schools are surviving off of subsidies.
College basketball?s most profitable men?s programs - Memphis Business Journal
some schools make a lot of money in b-ball though. couldn't find any current figures on iowa b-ball.
NCHawker
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ColoradoHAWKEYE
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Bug, meet windshield.
GoHawks24
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It's really hard to believe that Kansas is not on that list. I thought they were going to be #1 since I hadn't seen them on the list yet, but had forgotten about Louisville. Also, no UCLA was surprising too.
okeefe4prez
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Oh please. These are a bunch of people with lower scruples than Andrew Fastow cooking up these numbers. These universities are run by snake oil salesmen who are making darn near as much as public company CEOs and they cry poverty faster than a farmer who is worth $25 million the first time in the growing season it goes 5 days without raining. It really boils down to the fact that the marginal cost of providing the educational benefits, which are likely the greatest single reported expense, is approximately $0. For a large school, the cost to educate 25,000 kids is almost the same as the cost to educate 25,500 kids. Of course, through accounting shenanigans, the higher ups allocate 500 full freight scholarships along with inflated "facilities rent" and a bunch of other overhead crap to the athletic program, which then in turn has the athletic department subsidizing the broader university.
Then, of course, the same snake oil salesmen who run this operation bulk up the university's overhead by a huge amount and hire a representative of every "oppressed group" you could ever possibly think of for 6 figures to either be an "assistant dean" or professor. Then, the snake oil salesmen go to the regents or legislature crying how broke they are and lead thousands of kids a year to slaughter with non-dischargeable debt in exchange for a worthless degree in Post-Modern Feminist Thought or Neo-Marxist Communistic Political Science (or more likely, some combination thereof). Give me administrative control and a month to review the course catalog and interview every dean, assistant dean, diversity coordinator, prof and assistant prof at the University of Iowa and I'll have tuition back in line with what it should be by the start of the 2015 school year.
TL
R - These guys are more full of crap than that kid in West Des Moines who had that obstructed bowel and died back in the early '90's.
NCHawker
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It turns out that term "student athlete" was a contrived exprssion that the NCAA developed while defending themselves against workmens' compensation claims. The book above descirbes in detail the sagas of a few athletes who were paralized (1950's and 1960's) and subsequently sought relief. Only to be stonewalled by NCAA and their Universities who won in court.
The AAU used to control amature athletics back in the early part of the last century. Facinating story about how the NCAA came to power and wrestled away their control. Early on NCAA owned TV rights for the 1 game shown each Saturday on abc. Universities did not have any say or power to negotiate such TV deals. NCAA kept most of the cash. Notre Dame and Oklahoma fought back - NCAA went so far as to threaten any institution who ever played these two in a game would be kicked out and not receive distribuiton and could not be on TV. The universities won suit and won in a landmark decisioin.
Great read (short little book - really a long article)
Amazon.com: The Cartel: Inside the Rise and Imminent Fall of the NCAA eBook: Taylor Branch: Books
The AAU used to control amature athletics back in the early part of the last century. Facinating story about how the NCAA came to power and wrestled away their control. Early on NCAA owned TV rights for the 1 game shown each Saturday on abc. Universities did not have any say or power to negotiate such TV deals. NCAA kept most of the cash. Notre Dame and Oklahoma fought back - NCAA went so far as to threaten any institution who ever played these two in a game would be kicked out and not receive distribuiton and could not be on TV. The universities won suit and won in a landmark decisioin.
Great read (short little book - really a long article)
Amazon.com: The Cartel: Inside the Rise and Imminent Fall of the NCAA eBook: Taylor Branch: Books
NCHawker
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Once the schools get out from under NCAA, a lot of things can change. They make up their own rules.
Paying players, # of sports offered (NCAA mandates 16). Recruiting rules, almost everything except need to offer equal schollys to women as men (that's Federal law).
me thinks the big schools also want to distance themselves from NCAA because the litigation around royalties EA Sports, etc. They probably don't want the NCAA taking money from them to pay for the evenual settlement.
Paying players, # of sports offered (NCAA mandates 16). Recruiting rules, almost everything except need to offer equal schollys to women as men (that's Federal law).
me thinks the big schools also want to distance themselves from NCAA because the litigation around royalties EA Sports, etc. They probably don't want the NCAA taking money from them to pay for the evenual settlement.
okeefe4prez
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The Oklahoma v NCAA case went clear to the Supreme Court and is one of the cornerstone antitrust cases used to teach a complex antitrust law concept known as the rule of reason. When I read the case in Herb Hovenkamp's excellent antitrust class at U of Iowa back in the day, I was really amazed that large football programs had to take their "partner" to the Supreme Court to wrestle back control of their own content and after prevailing, they continued to stay in bed with that "partner." The NCAA should be thankful that it has managed to survive 30 years because most partnerships that wind up in heated litigation that goes to the US Supreme Court or the Delaware Supreme Court wind up dissolved concurrent with the end of the litigation or shortly thereafter. Of course, the articles make it look like the NCAA will still be the sanctioning body, but that the power conferences will be given supermajority voting rights and the power to create more autonomy for themselves. It should have been this way as soon as TV started pumping money into the regime because TV money is driven by the power teams and for Colorado State and New Mexico State to have enough votes to cancel out Texas and Ohio State is just absurd from a governance perspective.
Chickenlounge
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If athletic departments start paying players, will they be forced to split from the University, thus losing their non-profit status? Or will they not be paying the players, but rather just giving them an extra "stipend"?
okeefe4prez
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The power conferences could revive the game, but perhaps without the NCAA logo and likely without the non-power conference teams. With minor revisions to the collegiate rules, EA could pay a royalty to each school featured in the game and the school could then distribute a portion of the royalties to each player. Each player would in turn grant a license to use his likeness in the game and then EA could actually include actual pictures and the player's name. The problem now is that I think many kids love being in the game and would consent to their image being in there, but they can't enter into a valid contract with EA for the use of their likenesses because EA must give consideration (money) to each athlete and the NCAA rules prohibit this.
okeefe4prez
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Looked like additional stipends to cover additional "costs of attendance." Once the SEZ money starts flowing into Pollard's pockets, he is gonna probably jack this additional cost of attendance number way up and ISU players will be rolling around in Bugattis. We. R. Toast.
