hawkdrummer1
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Harsh reality is about to smack you in the face. Your sport is not as popular as you think...you're not "all that"... here come's the wake up call.
NBA wakeup call
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thejumper5
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I think they are making a huge mistake by not coming to an agreement. I'll be there when they get back, so will the other die-hards. Unfortunately, a lot of the new fans they've gained in the last couple of years won't be back. I'm just hoping bouncing back won't be as bad as it was in '99. I don't think it will be since there is no Jordan retirement to couple with the lockout, but the league definitely won't at the level it was the last couple of years.
tm3308
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What's funny is that if they don't have a season, the players will have lost more money than they would have if they'd taken the owner's offer.
HawkeyeMike23
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Yeah, they just had their best postseason in about 15 years and they're going to throw it all away. David Stern has quickly turned into the worst cominisoiner of the four major sports.
HawkeyeMike23
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That's the most frustrating part of the whole thing. That 2% BRI change that they have been arguing about is what the league would bring in by January. So instead of finding someway to divide it up, they are going to just sit back and lose it all, and once it's gone, it's money they will never get back. Both sides are very much at fault for this mess.
hawkdrummer1
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All of the above are true. And they prove what has always been apparent...NBA players are probably the dumbest pro athletes out there.
thejumper5
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That's what happens when a bunch of guys that spent one or two years barely passes 12 hours worth of "college" classes try to barter with billionaires who have spent their lives making money as much money as possible and using shrewd deal making tactics to do it.
I'm obviously characterizing both groups, but that is pretty much the reality at the NBA bargaining table.
herkyattack
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Yes, blame it all on the players.
thejumper5
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If the NBA owners are willing to play, they have to honor the current contracts since it is is a lockout and not a strike.
Yeah, people forget the owners agreed to the current revenue split % some years back...now they want it back because their accounts aren't as fat as they would like.
trj
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Exactly.
Those dumb, uneducated jocks should have never agreed to that 57% revenue split.....those shrewd business owners sure got over on that one.
Btw......I think there will be a 50-60 game season David Stern is an arrogant sob he does not want this lockout to tarnish his legacy, he will get the small market, small revenue teams to compromise.
thejumper5
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The 57/43 split was a solid, profitable split for both sides when it was signed. It isn't even close to profitable for the owners today. Yes, they did agree to the CBA before, but they also agreed to have it expire and renegotiate after this past season, so they can start over with whatever new type of deal they want. I think the "they agreed to it ten years ago" argument is silly.
Edit: After re-reading this, I am sorry that I seem a little harsh. I am just really passionate about the NBA not playing games. Couple that with generally being anti-union anyway, and I am not a fan of the player's union. I have (probably unfair) tendency to blame them more than the owners.
Edit: After re-reading this, I am sorry that I seem a little harsh. I am just really passionate about the NBA not playing games. Couple that with generally being anti-union anyway, and I am not a fan of the player's union. I have (probably unfair) tendency to blame them more than the owners.
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Exactly. People act like the economy hasn't changed since the last CBA.
Make no mistake, the owners haven't given an inch in these negotiations. The problem is, they don't have to.
It's nothing more than about pride at this point for the players. Their pride is going to cost them a collective 2 billion dollars to take the same (or worse) deal a year from now.
What I don't get is that the NFL players tried the decertification path and they were losing the court battle. Now the NBA players think it's a good idea?
trj
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And the "the players should just accept any proposal the owners give them" argument is just as silly. Owners need to figure out how to divide revenue among themselves before they ask the players to make compromises.
The problem is the players have no leverage. I'm stealing this from Stephen A but I'm sure he won't mind:
If you're a worker who wants to make 150 thousand a year but the only employer available to you offers only 100 thousand, are you going to turn that down to make 50 thousand doing something else?
Is it fair that the owners are giving the players any concessions. NO. Life isn't fair. It isn't fair that employers all across the country are cutting jobs and salaries either.
The players so hold some leverage here...do you think they are the only ones losing $$ right now? Hell no and not even close the owners are loosing it out the rear to...
lol. You think so?
Question for ya. How do you think the owners got the money to buy these teams? Do you think it just magically appeared out of thin air? Or maybe they have money trees growing in their back yard?
These owners are billionaires whose day jobs are what brings in the real money.
They aren't making money off their teams right now but they aren't losing as much as you might think.
vegashawki
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Greedy
