JoeyLabasForPresident
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Well, they should already be used to not getting to root for Clowns at the next level
Nate Stanley to the Vikings in the 7th Round, Pick 244 Overall.
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WinOneThisCentury
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I think you have to put Stanley ahead of Rudock. I know it was the Greg Davis era, but it was an era of us throwing to the sidelines all day. God...I watched a game the other day where Rudock threw a team into the ball game. I think it was a Michigan game and he threw two ridiculous picks and just didn't play well. Stanley had his moments, but Stanley also made plays...winning three bowls games does a lot to cement your legacy...especially when the last two were Mississippi State (with a top 5 defense) and USC in California. When was the last time Iowa won on the Left Coast?...and to win in that fashion?
Stanley belongs at #3.
No doubt. Stanley goes above JR and I don't think that's close. If it wasn't for GD and the coaching change Vandenberg would have been higher then he was too. Felt bad for him. Timing is everything in life and his just happened to suck. But I'd be prone to putting him above JR too.
NorthKCHawk
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I like that Stanley has a couple year gap between the guys he is competing with. I agree that its most likely he gets put on the practice squad this year, but maybe he wins the back-up role due to cap cuts for the more veteran guys. Stanley is a very cheap back-up QB right now.
I do not see Nate ever being a starter, same with CJ. But, the key is getting to a second contract. If you do, you can be a back-up in this league for a decade or more. Look at Chase Daniels. Stanley has all the tools, and maybe with a year to develop, he can be as good as what Minny has now and win the job cause he is getting paid nothing.
I do not see Nate ever being a starter, same with CJ. But, the key is getting to a second contract. If you do, you can be a back-up in this league for a decade or more. Look at Chase Daniels. Stanley has all the tools, and maybe with a year to develop, he can be as good as what Minny has now and win the job cause he is getting paid nothing.
WinOneThisCentury
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I disagree with you on CJ. I think CJ Beathard is a starting NFL Quarterback. There is a reason why SF has kept him. ..even as he's listed as the #3. I'm sure they have had chances to move him, especially around draft time. Why didn't they. CJ played really well in the preseason last year IMO. He looked different...more confident.
CJ Beathard is a gamer, who will make plays in the big moments. He did it in college...that doesn't go away when you have the arm talent he has. He has NFL caliber arm talent. People judge him for his performance with a BAD SF team. When Mullins took over due to his injury, Mullins had some people back from injury on the OL and he was playing against terrible teams. It was bad luck for CJ.
If you ask me...it's going to be interesting when SF finally moves a back up or trades one. If CJ is right physically and mentally...they could trade Mullins.
NorthKCHawk
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Well, I don't know how many starting NFL QBs, get the chance to start, do not do very well, come back as the back-up the next season, and then lose the back-up job to a new-comer. I love CJ, and I hope he has a long career, but he has a lot of growing to do if he is to be someone's day 1 starter.
WinOneThisCentury
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Well...it's kind of hard to evaluate a rookie who takes over the starting QB for a team with a make shift offensive line and limited offensive weapons like CJ did with San Fran. Most rookies playing in that environment isn't going to do well. Jimmy G. came to SF with three years playing behind one of the best QBs in NFL history. He had a three year learning curve. You can't compare them...it's not fair to CJ.
Now, if you put CJ as a starter now with the offensive line and weapons they have now in SF...it's a much different ball game and I think things would be terribly different. He will get his chance.
This didn't seem to hurt Tua this year, but I stumbled across this list of Wonderlic scores: https://iqtestprep.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/. Both Brad and Tagovailoa clock in with 13's.
NorthKCHawk
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Fine, those are legitimate excuses. What's the excuse for getting beat out by an undrafted rookie free agent for the back-up job?
I am not saying CJ does not have a shot to stick in the league. Shanahan clearly likes him. But, his path in his first couple seasons suggests that, AT BEST, he is a career back up QB in the league.
guffus
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I have been reading some stories about Shea Patterson at Michigan and how he ended up not getting drafted.
It seems the whole aura of Jim Harbaugh being a top QB whisperer is gone. Patterson regressed badly in his time starting for Mich. Harbaugh has never taken a high school recruit at Mich and developed him into a state. All his starters have been transfers or holdovers. And the only QB at Mich he has had that's been drafted is...
Jake Rudock in the 6th round.
As much grief Iowa QB's get for regressing as starters, it could be worse. You could be a starter for Harbaugh at Michigan.
It seems the whole aura of Jim Harbaugh being a top QB whisperer is gone. Patterson regressed badly in his time starting for Mich. Harbaugh has never taken a high school recruit at Mich and developed him into a state. All his starters have been transfers or holdovers. And the only QB at Mich he has had that's been drafted is...
Jake Rudock in the 6th round.
As much grief Iowa QB's get for regressing as starters, it could be worse. You could be a starter for Harbaugh at Michigan.
The stability that Iowa has with QBs starting for multiple years is a serious outlier in college football today. Half of the big time Elite 11 or four star or top ten guys transfer within a couple of years and those numbers are only going to increase. A coach like Gus Malzahn can last several years without any QB staying more than two years, he just picks guys up and drops them like a bad habit if they don't win.
Luka Garza's dad needs to develop our QBs. They might progress.
BigD
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Yeah go get em except when you play Da Bears.
okeefe4prez
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My guess, and this is just a guess, is that the League or teams slow rolled the form contract this year because it says he was the first to sign. If the season gets 86ed from The Germ, no sense in having all those rookies around, too.
I think I saw that he was the first rookie of the Viks to sign period. This is just an odd yr all together so I have no idea about any of that. But glad he's locked in even if it's in pencil. Small signing bonus but if he makes the 53 man roster for the entire season he'll get paid great money. He's got a snow balls chance of getting the backup gig. Neither of the other 2 impress me much.
Totally agree with you about Banks. Some of it might have been the question "is he a one year wonder" vs having a couple more years of tape on him. But Banks made all the throws, was very accurate, could have been Mike Vick before there was a Mike Vick as I cant remember when Vick was a rookie.
Just hard to square this since you would think an NFL team would take a 7th round pick chance on a QB with low salary implications but high skills and athleticism traits.
