My 35 Best Iowa Basketball Players of All-Time List

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wundergrape

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1. Ronnie Lester
2. Sam Williams
3. John Johnson
4. Herb Wilkinson
5. BJ Armstrong
6. Don Nelson
7. Dick Ives
8. Carl Cain
9. Murray Weir
10. Roy Marble
11. Downtown Freddy Brown
12. Kevin Kunnert
13. Acie Earl
14. Andre Woolridge
15. Greg Stokes
16. Bruce King
17. Dave Gunther
18. Ed Horton
19. Charles Darling
20. George Peeples
21. Jess Settles
22. Greg Brunner
23. Dean Oliver
24. Adam Haluska
25. Chad Calabria
26. Bill Seaberg
27. Jeff Horner
28. Bill Logan
29. Matt Gatens
30. Reggie Evans
31. Chris Pervall
32. Ryan Bowen
33. Roy Devyn Marble
34. Luke Recker
35. Bob Hansen

Let the nitpicking commence.
 
Devyn Marble shouldn't be on there yet, Pierre Pierce was much better than him in a similar amount of games at this point. Kevin Gamble also was better than Dev.
 
Great list grape! But Downtown has to be higher on the list, plus whar Glen "the Stick" Vidnovic? Tough to put a list like this together, but I commend your picks.
 
hawkfan33 said:
Devyn Marble shouldn't be on there yet, Pierre Pierce was much better than him in a similar amount of games at this point. Kevin Gamble also was better than Dev.
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Kevin Gamble was nowhere near as good as Roy Dev. Kevin Gamble averaged 2.6 and 11.9 ppg for two years, respectively. Dev averages slightly fewer rebounds and triple the assists. Pierre Pierce was a willful omission because he was a jackwag.
 
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twinlaker said:
Great list grape! But Downtown has to be higher on the list, plus whar Glen "the Stick" Vidnovic? Tough to put a list like this together, but I commend your picks.
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It's highly condensed in the top 12. As you see, Freddy is surrounded by Roy Marble and Kevin Kunnert. Not bad company. Vidnovic would be on the next tier. I can't bump Hansen or Recker for Stick.
 
wundergrape said:
It's highly condensed in the top 12. As you see, Freddy is surrounded by Roy Marble and Kevin Kunnert. Not bad company. Vidnovic would be on the next tier. I can't bump Hansen or Recker for Stick.
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Good arguments... how about Michael Payne and Brad Lohaus?
 
I always have difficulty comparing players when you are spanning several eras. Some of those older guys were terrific in their day but you wonder if they could really hang with today's players. Totally different level of athleticism in my opinion.
 
MisterLucky said:
I always have difficulty comparing players when you are spanning several eras. Some of those older guys were terrific in their day but you wonder if they could really hang with today's players. Totally different level of athleticism in my opinion.
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I always err on the side of presuming that they could hang. Respect for your elders and all that.
 
MisterLucky said:
I always have difficulty comparing players when you are spanning several eras. Some of those older guys were terrific in their day but you wonder if they could really hang with today's players. Totally different level of athleticism in my opinion.
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That's a question that can never be answered, however... the 1970 team "averaged" over a 100 points a game without a shot clock or the three point shot! There has never been a better team since! I have seen them all, and IMHO they were the best ever.
 
Hawkstrat said:
Horner is too high.
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Horner is on there because of his secondary stats. He's Iowa's all-time leader in three pointers made, averaged 5 assists per game (better than BJ), 1.2 steals (better than BJ), and 4.6 rebounds per game (better than Gatens or Recker). Jeff Horner, an argument could be made statistically, actually deserves to be higher.

However, I believe you are referring to an "intangibles" metric, and I agree that Horner does not pass the smell test as a top-20 Hawk. I feel comfortable with him at 27th.
 
wundergrape said:
Kevin Gamble was nowhere near as good as Roy Dev. Kevin Gamble averaged 2.6 and 11.9 ppg for two years, respectively. Dev averages slightly fewer rebounds and triple the assists. Pierre Pierce was a willful omission because he was a jackwag.
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Gonna have to disagree on Gamble vs Marble. Look at who each has played with and go no further. I know I shouldn't look at it this way, but Gamble was an NBA player, jury is still way out on Marble.
 
sportstalent said:
Gonna have to disagree on Gamble vs Marble. Look at who each has played with and go no further. I know I shouldn't look at it this way, but Gamble was an NBA player, jury is still way out on Marble.
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I'll give you that Marble might not deserve to be on there yet, but there is no way that you put Gamble over him. Roy Dev has already accomplished everything that Gamble did as a Hawk except hit one of the most legendary threes in program history.
 
wundergrape said:
I'll give you that Marble might not deserve to be on there yet, but there is no way that you put Gamble over him. Roy Dev has already accomplished everything that Gamble did as a Hawk except hit one of the most legendary threes in program history.
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Never said Gamble deserved to be on the list just pointing out guys who were better than lil Marble. And unless you think Dev is going to have a 10+ year NBA career there is really no argument on who's the better player.
 
wow, tough to make a list like that. i'm bad at comparing eras. in two years, how close will the trashman be to cracking the list?
 
hawkfan33 said:
Never said Gamble deserved to be on the list just pointing out guys who were better than lil Marble. And unless you think Dev is going to have a 10+ year NBA career there is really no argument on who's the better player.
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Of course there is. First of all, the list was intended to reflect how good these players were as Hawkeyes. I thought that would be clear by how I ranked the players. Roy Devyn Marble is already a better Hawkeye than Kevin Gamble was and he's got more than a year and a half left. Second of all, I see absolutely no reason why Roy Dev couldn't have a long NBA career. I know many people do. I'm not one of those people.
 
Haven't seen any HAWKS in quite some time better than Kenny Arnold, Steve Carfino, Steve Krafcisn, and Vince Brookins. Nobody rebounded like Clay Hargrave. Like him or not, Ricky Davis.
 
wundergrape said:
Of course there is. First of all, the list was intended to reflect how good these players were as Hawkeyes. I thought that would be clear by how I ranked the players. Roy Devyn Marble is already a better Hawkeye than Kevin Gamble was and he's got more than a year and a half left. Second of all, I see asobsolutely no reason why Roy Dev couldn't have a long NBA career. I know many people do. I'm not one of those people.
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So Marble's a better Hawkeye just because he played on a less talented team? I thought this was ranking the players based on basketball ability.
 
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