gordonearl
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One of the things I like about Fran is how hard he works at recruiting. If Dr.Tom had worked that hard he would probably still be coaching at Iowa.
Mr. Davis and Fran
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GhostofBTT
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LOL WUT?
HawkStrand
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I only got love for Dr. T. Seems to me that the two coaches came in under different scenarios, and we should evaluate their legacies and their on-going good work differently, as well, no?
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ILHawk
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Until Fran brings in very athletic 6-6 swing men and Woodbury develops, I'll with hold opinion on this. Except for 2 local kids who wanted to play together and had been maybe over ranked credentials, Fran has brought in mostly kids that we compete with Boston College, Illinois State, and mid's for.
gordonearl
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I think it is a well known fact that Mr. Davis did not like recruiting very well and did not work very hard on it. I was not talking about Fran's success in recruiting. but about how hard he works at it.
99topdawg
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The dude's 74. I think he might have retired by now.
ibahawkeye
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Aaron White & Anthony Clemmons seem to be pretty good and there are a lot of coaches that couldn't keep Roy Williams from taking the in state talent. So to just dismiss the fact that we were able to keep Woody is pretty foolish.
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ILHawk
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Not really. AW is good. He's not an athletic deal maker. Woody is a project in motion. We will see. Maybe I'll be foolish, but what I implied that his recruiting isn't proven yet. It's foolish to say it is w/o proof.
Clemons recruiting:
| Iowa | COMMITTED (09/25/2011) | Offered | 09/23/2011 | Sherman Dillard |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Detroit | None | Offered | None | |
| East. Michigan | None | Offered | None | |
| Northern Illinois | None | Offered | 09/16/2011 | |
| W. Michigan | None | Offered | None |
atomicblue224
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Is this basketball thread?I'm checking my laptop to make sure it's not jumping into psychology 101 thread
PalmettoHawkFan
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TD's early recruiting was legit:
McD's AA: Thompson, Murray, Kingsbury
Parade AA: Settles
Top 100: Millard, Ed Jenkins (ACT casuality), Moses (Pac 10 was all over him, all time Cali scorer when he left HS).
He got Webb over UCLA (when they had McLean and Murray) though Webb never panned out, and the Bullard-Ingram duo were highly sought transfers.
I wonder how much of the early quality was due to Bruce Pearl, though.
I really like Clemmons, but I don't think that, at this stage, he's significantly better than Kevin Smith or Brian Garner. Good ball handling, pushes it, good defender, has yet to show he has a reliable jumper. Hell of a lot better than Lil Lick, however.
When Fran gets a McDs AA, he's made the leap. His current recruiting looks a lot like Alford's early on, but the exception is that the guys he's getting over mid-majors are panning out. No Courtney Scott's so far....
McD's AA: Thompson, Murray, Kingsbury
Parade AA: Settles
Top 100: Millard, Ed Jenkins (ACT casuality), Moses (Pac 10 was all over him, all time Cali scorer when he left HS).
He got Webb over UCLA (when they had McLean and Murray) though Webb never panned out, and the Bullard-Ingram duo were highly sought transfers.
I wonder how much of the early quality was due to Bruce Pearl, though.
I really like Clemmons, but I don't think that, at this stage, he's significantly better than Kevin Smith or Brian Garner. Good ball handling, pushes it, good defender, has yet to show he has a reliable jumper. Hell of a lot better than Lil Lick, however.
When Fran gets a McDs AA, he's made the leap. His current recruiting looks a lot like Alford's early on, but the exception is that the guys he's getting over mid-majors are panning out. No Courtney Scott's so far....
LG210
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Two recruiting classes is premature to definitively say "Yes, Fran is an excellent recruiter", but I think he is off to a good start.
(1) He has shown the ability to identify talent where others don't. See White, Clemmons, Basabe.
(2) He has shown the ability to keep in-state talent at home. (sans Paige)
(3) He has shown the ability to get top 100 recruits.
(4) He has shown the ability to exact revenge on a conference rival for recruiting nefariousness.
Good start, if you ask me.
oh yeah? thats why Mr. Davis landed range, davis, oliver, walker, koch, woolridge, settles, millard, and kingsbury (to name a few) during his last few years?
HawkinGoferLand
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from the sounds of things, Fran is relentless. Many reports of him attending about every event or game he can of his targets (made a very high number of AW's games for example).
Hopefully, we can continue to show improvement on the court to attract another strong class (or even better). Keep building it!
Hopefully, we can continue to show improvement on the court to attract another strong class (or even better). Keep building it!
homes
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Recruiting was not a strong suit of Davis. Over the years, he lost ground in Michigan and never recovered in Illinois, 2 historically solid areas for Iowa. Liked him as the Hawkeyes' coach, just hard to argue he was knocking 'em out on the recruiting trail.
SpiderRico
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The entire notion of this thread is BS.
Mr. Davis did just fine in recruiting. That's evidenced by his overall and conference record. We finished in the upper half of the Big 10 10 out of 13 years. And that was during an era that saw the Big 10 as dominant as it's ever been in it's history. We think the league is tough now, and it is, but it was like that EVERY YEAR from 1986 thru 1999. The Final Fours and championships from the Big 10 during that time was ridiculous. If Davis was that bad of a recruiter, there's no way we win as many games as we did and go to the tournament as many times as we did.
I never understand how posters feel the need to put down one coach in order to elevate the accomplishments of another. Davis was a good recruiter and an AWESOME developer of talent and a superb coach. Saying that doesn't diminish what Fran is trying to do.
Mr. Davis did just fine in recruiting. That's evidenced by his overall and conference record. We finished in the upper half of the Big 10 10 out of 13 years. And that was during an era that saw the Big 10 as dominant as it's ever been in it's history. We think the league is tough now, and it is, but it was like that EVERY YEAR from 1986 thru 1999. The Final Fours and championships from the Big 10 during that time was ridiculous. If Davis was that bad of a recruiter, there's no way we win as many games as we did and go to the tournament as many times as we did.
I never understand how posters feel the need to put down one coach in order to elevate the accomplishments of another. Davis was a good recruiter and an AWESOME developer of talent and a superb coach. Saying that doesn't diminish what Fran is trying to do.
Those guys are few and far between. Maybe a couple each class at best and usually head to "Blue Blood" schools like Kansas, Duke, North Carolina, etc. Then they head to NBA after 1 season. Not going to develop a program like that unless you're Kentucky and you get the 6-6 athletic guys every single season.
If you're waiting for Fran to get guys like that, don't hold your breath.
Clemmons has already made more jump shots than Smith made his whole career. He's much better than Kevin Smith was.
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ILHawk
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Good start? Very well may be. Great start? We'll see. Do I think AW is good? You bet. Does it mean getting him mean all is well:
| Iowa | COMMITTED (10/04/2010) | Offered | 09/03/2010 | Sherman Dillard |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Boston Coll. | None | Offered | None | |
| Duquesne | None | Offered | 09/24/2010 | |
| Miami (OH) | None | Offered | None | |
| Northwestern | None | Offered | None | |
| St. Bonaventure | None | Offered | 09/17/2010 | |
| Temple | None | Offered | None |
| Iowa | COMMITTED (08/08/2011) | Offered | 09/16/2011 | Andrew Francis |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Arizona St. | None | None | ||
| Boston Coll. | None | None | ||
| Creighton | None | Offered | None | Darian DeVries |
| Drake | None | Offered | None | |
| Harvard | None | None | ||
| Iowa St. | None | Offered | None | Fred Hoiberg |
| Nebraska | None | Offered | None | Chris Croft |
| Northern Iowa | None | Offered | None | |
| Stanford | None | Offered | None | Johnny Dawkins |
| Utah | None | Offered | None | |
| Virginia | None | None | ||
| Wisconsin | None | None | ||
| Yale | None | None |
franstheman
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I get what this guy is trying to say. It has been said by some that Woodbury was always going to be a hawk, although I don't agree with that as Fran wouldn't have gone to as many games if that was the case and he would have committed earlier.
It would be nice to see Fran sign a top recruit from Illinois or somewhere out of state, though. That would really say we're back!
It would be nice to see Fran sign a top recruit from Illinois or somewhere out of state, though. That would really say we're back!
Cover3
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I wouldn't go this far (bolded). He's hitting 64% from the floor, has good moves around the bucket, and gets good rebounding position even if he doesn't always hold it yet. He has a lot of physical development to undertake, but he's not even close to a project.
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