MelroseHawkins
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Doesn't it feel like Penn St. already has someone pegged but now just waiting for the playoffs to end, like their next coach is still coaching a team above the Cheez It bowl.
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Doesn't it feel like Penn St. already has someone pegged but now just waiting for the playoffs to end, like their next coach is still coaching a team above the Cheez It bowl.
kameltoez102
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No, Penn State is really putting themselves in a very bad position. Big names are extending or are getting the open jobs. They've been denied by several high profile and successful coaches. As of the last time I looked there recruiting class is 130th. What happens if the new coach isn't a big name or has any relationship? All those good athletes they do have are going to be jumping ship. I have heard Terry Smith is popular internally with Admin as well as players. They may have no choice but to hire him to avoid a complete collapse. They have no coach at signing day and that is a big problem. The AD had better start updating his resume because I don't think he has much time left.
Their latest target was BYU head coach Kalani Sitake and he just signed a long term extension after their interest. That's happened to them 2-3 times now. They are losing the game of musical chairs and as kameltoez said, they may have to go with Terry Smith.
Fryowa
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At the end of the day Rhule is proving himself a talker and not a doer.
I think of it like this...
I work in business, and if you work in business long enough you will see a ton of people come through organizations hired as change-makers. People with what look like impressive resumes, hired by upper management to shake things up whether it's manufacturing processes, efficiency improvements, financial gurus who come in to tighten things up, and so on. The common thread with all of them is that they come in with a resume where they typically have 1-3 years at each job before "leaving," they have a masters degree in whatever field, and the promise they make is they've seen and done everything in the past and they know exactly what to do to get your operation out of whatever rut it happens to be in. They're upscale job-hoppers in essence.
But in the hiring process they say ALL the right things. They bring in a bunch of vague, overblown statistics of how they turned things around at XYZ company but it's never anything you can ask former employees about or prove they did. No company is going to give you information like that about themselves. Those companies will also never give you an honest evaluation of that former person because they don't want to be sued. So all you have to go on is what you're being sold in the interview.
If you're in the business world you also know that 99% of the time they come in with a million different snake oil ideas but nothing really improves. At that point the excuses begin from them whether it's a lack of buy-in, lack of resources, effectiveness of mid-level supervisors, yadda yadda. The common thread with all their excuses is that none of it is actually measurable. You can't really measure buy-in or those abstract cultural things. They use it as their airtight excuse to shift blame to everyone else but themselves for failing. At that point then they "leave" under the premise not that they failed, but that they did all the right things and no one got on board. They weren't given the opportunity to succeed, so to speak. It's perfect because it's a great excuse for their wives as to why they have to move to a different city every 3 years and it makes them feel better about their job-hopping.
But let me ask this...
If this person was such a world-changer, why wouldn't the last company that he helped rise from the ashes keep him and pay him more money and promote him? I sure as hell would if someone did that at my business. Those are people no smart businessman/woman would let get away. You don't just let those people walk. The people who do have tangible things they can back their talk up with don't get let go for a lateral move...
Now I know it's different with a major football coach because it's a wins/losses thing and at the end of the day their record is what people look at, but it's the same in the sense that guys like Rhule are used car salesmen. They over promise to get in the door, underdeliver, and then it's never their fault when it doesn't work out. The reason they leave is for more money and bigger opportunities, but the song remains the same. There are plenty of reasons along with just dumb luck why a guy like Rhule has a 10 win season at Baylor, many of them which have nothing to do with his individual skill. Those kinds of seasons are his snake oil to get himself in the door. But when you really dig in deep there are so many layers to it that you can never really pin down the reasons for it and you're just left with a choice...do I roll the dice and trust the guy can translate words into results? That's what nebraska has been forced to do since Solich and Pelini and we've seen many, many times how it very rarely works out. Wisconsin is finding that out and should've learned from it.
I think of it like this...
I work in business, and if you work in business long enough you will see a ton of people come through organizations hired as change-makers. People with what look like impressive resumes, hired by upper management to shake things up whether it's manufacturing processes, efficiency improvements, financial gurus who come in to tighten things up, and so on. The common thread with all of them is that they come in with a resume where they typically have 1-3 years at each job before "leaving," they have a masters degree in whatever field, and the promise they make is they've seen and done everything in the past and they know exactly what to do to get your operation out of whatever rut it happens to be in. They're upscale job-hoppers in essence.
But in the hiring process they say ALL the right things. They bring in a bunch of vague, overblown statistics of how they turned things around at XYZ company but it's never anything you can ask former employees about or prove they did. No company is going to give you information like that about themselves. Those companies will also never give you an honest evaluation of that former person because they don't want to be sued. So all you have to go on is what you're being sold in the interview.
If you're in the business world you also know that 99% of the time they come in with a million different snake oil ideas but nothing really improves. At that point the excuses begin from them whether it's a lack of buy-in, lack of resources, effectiveness of mid-level supervisors, yadda yadda. The common thread with all their excuses is that none of it is actually measurable. You can't really measure buy-in or those abstract cultural things. They use it as their airtight excuse to shift blame to everyone else but themselves for failing. At that point then they "leave" under the premise not that they failed, but that they did all the right things and no one got on board. They weren't given the opportunity to succeed, so to speak. It's perfect because it's a great excuse for their wives as to why they have to move to a different city every 3 years and it makes them feel better about their job-hopping.
But let me ask this...
If this person was such a world-changer, why wouldn't the last company that he helped rise from the ashes keep him and pay him more money and promote him? I sure as hell would if someone did that at my business. Those are people no smart businessman/woman would let get away. You don't just let those people walk. The people who do have tangible things they can back their talk up with don't get let go for a lateral move...
Now I know it's different with a major football coach because it's a wins/losses thing and at the end of the day their record is what people look at, but it's the same in the sense that guys like Rhule are used car salesmen. They over promise to get in the door, underdeliver, and then it's never their fault when it doesn't work out. The reason they leave is for more money and bigger opportunities, but the song remains the same. There are plenty of reasons along with just dumb luck why a guy like Rhule has a 10 win season at Baylor, many of them which have nothing to do with his individual skill. Those kinds of seasons are his snake oil to get himself in the door. But when you really dig in deep there are so many layers to it that you can never really pin down the reasons for it and you're just left with a choice...do I roll the dice and trust the guy can translate words into results? That's what nebraska has been forced to do since Solich and Pelini and we've seen many, many times how it very rarely works out. Wisconsin is finding that out and should've learned from it.
kameltoez102
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What is going on now in the coaching searches across the country may not be the norm in the near future if some legislation is passed but I hope Beth and Co are paying attention to see just how bad things can get if you don't have a solid replacement plan. The PSU AD looks really bad right now and it could really set the program back big time.
When you compare two things that could potentially damage your program long-term 1) A massive child predator was running rampant in your program and you cover it up 2) You fire a successful coach with no back up. You would think #1 would be more damaging but I am not so sure with what is going on now at PSU.
When you compare two things that could potentially damage your program long-term 1) A massive child predator was running rampant in your program and you cover it up 2) You fire a successful coach with no back up. You would think #1 would be more damaging but I am not so sure with what is going on now at PSU.
Chickenlounge
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Some BYU fan had Crumbl Cookies delivered to the PSU athletic building last night. That's some great trolling.
HawkPowerlifter
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It's been such a cloak and dagger process with Penn State. All these potential coaches rumored but the question is, were they targeting a certain coach and waiting and it blew up in their face. OR was it every time they became serious about targeting a coach, they got extended or moved on?
Seemed like Penn State missed the bus on this one. Either were not assertive enough in getting their guy or just completely swung and missed on their plan to sit on their hands. Not to start any sort of rumors, but I know one coach that stated specifically he was not going to address any sort interviews or even questions about a coaching change was....Matt Campbell. Could it be Penn State may chat with him?
Seemed like Penn State missed the bus on this one. Either were not assertive enough in getting their guy or just completely swung and missed on their plan to sit on their hands. Not to start any sort of rumors, but I know one coach that stated specifically he was not going to address any sort interviews or even questions about a coaching change was....Matt Campbell. Could it be Penn State may chat with him?
Fryowa
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The way ISU is raising and spending money on NIL and CyTown I'd imagine they'd match any offer by PSU.
kameltoez102
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I have heard his name recently but don't know if he would bolt. On McShay's recent shows he digs into the Power Agent that is seemingly controlling a lot of these moves behind the scenes. He represented Kiffin and notice how a lot of dominoes started to fall right after Kiffin left.
The rumor he had heard was this agent (who also was representing Franklin) may be steering people away from PSU as he and the AD had some tension. Maybe that is true or maybe it isn't but it adds a lot of interesting dynamic behind the scenes to the job openings whether it be a HC or coordinator. The videos are worth a listen and kind of talks about how much power this dude has in college football.
HawkPowerlifter
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Meanwhile, Franklin is sitting back and watching this dumpster fire and laughing his ass off and poaching recruits left and right.
NorthKCHawk
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The only reason to leave ISU for PSU is money. While ISU is doing well for a Big 12 school, it does not have the resources of a blue blood in the Big 10. PSU could offer him Kiffin money and that would be hard to turn down. But, I would need 6 years nearly all guaranteed. He could coach at ISU forever, so a jump like that would be about generational money.
HawkPowerlifter
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I don't believe Penn State had any recruits sign early and have the currently 129th ranked recruiting class. (Iowa is #23?). Franklin has already flipped 7 recruits from Penn State to VaTech. Unless, they have some dark horse big name coach they are waiting to hire, things are only getting murkier for Penn State. EXTEND FERENTZ NOW! Lol.
ssckelley
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I'm still bitter PSU was allowed to keep their football team after what happened there. So I'm thrilled, I would love to see PSU at the bottom of the conference.
But it won't last, too much talent on the east coast and in Pennsylvania for them to stay down very long.
